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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Mehrdad,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I do not know what you expected, but the graph you show is correct : internal temperature changes are slower in the heavy building. Try to put some intermittent internal gains and you will amplify this effect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#58595B'>Marcello Caciolo</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#58595B'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#58595B'>Responsable Outils et Méthodes d'Analyse Energétique</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#58595B'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><img width=170 height=62 id="Image_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CFA71C.4DF99980" alt="cid:image003.jpg@01CD4E08.954D04D0"><br><b><br></b>Cellule Efficacité Energétique et Environnementale - Pôle Projets et Réalisations<br>46 Boulevard de la Prairie au Duc<br>BP 40119 - 44201 Nantes Cedex 02</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Tél.: +33 02 40 41 06 57</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><a href="mailto:prenom.nom@aximaseitha-gdfsuez.com"><span style='color:blue'>marcello.caciolo@cofelyaxima-gdfsuez.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#339966'>P</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#339966'> </span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#339966'>Pensez à l'environnement avant d'imprimer ce message</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> TRNSYS-users [mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>De la part de</b> Mehrdad Farshchi<br><b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 24 juillet 2014 07:06<br><b>À :</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at OneBuilding.org; jlam@transsolar.com<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Thermal mass is not considered in Type 56 simulation!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Jochen,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you for your email. I have modelled and simulated a simple rectangular building (15m x10m) in Sydney with Trnsys 17 software. Then using the Trnsys library I have edited the building components in order to make a heavy weight building as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Floor = BST_H_FLO (see the figure attached)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>External Wall = BST_H_EXT (see the figure attached)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Roof= BST_H_ROO (see the figure attached)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Although Infiltration, Ventilation, Heating, Cooling and Comfort regime are off, the observed thermal lag was very low (less than an hour). Even I changed the wall concrete thickness to 0.4m and the result for the air temperature (TAir_H_0.4) did not show any changes in terms of thermal lag (please have a look at the graph attached)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tambient: ambient temperature , <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TAIR_H_0.1: air temperature of air node with above mentioned building component and setting and <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TAIR_H_0.4 : air temperature of air node with above mentioned building component and setting the wall concrete thickness to 0.4m.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wonder if you could please let me know how to resolve this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mehrdad</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 6:40 PM, hotline <<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Dear Mehrdad,</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>TYPE 56 considers thermal masses. I can imagine that you’ve set a high ventilation rates.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>If so, you might compare the surface temperatures or the operative temperature instead.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Best </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_________________________________________________________________________________________</span></i><i><span lang=DE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_________</span></i><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span lang=DE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></i><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jochen Lam</span></i><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>TRNSYS Software Team</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span></i><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH</span></b><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Curiestraße 2</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>70563 Stuttgart</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Fax: <a href="tel:%2B49%20711%2067976-11" target="_blank">+49 711 67976-11</a><br>Email: <a href="mailto:jlam@transsolar.com" target="_blank">jlam@transsolar.com</a></span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Web: <a href="http://www.trnsys.de/" target="_blank">www.trnsys.de</a> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> TRNSYS-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">trnsys-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mehrdad Farshchimonfared<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2014 06:12<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Thermal mass is not considered in Type 56 simulation!!</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=DE> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Dear Trnsys users,</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>I have modelled a residential building with different building components (including different thermal masses) using Trnsys 3d, Type 56 . The simulation results show no thermal lag between hourly inside air temperature of each zone even if, the heavy materials are used. It is weird as it seems that Trnsys does not take into account the thermal mass of walls, floors and etc. </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Have you come across with this problem previously? </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>If yes, I wonder if you could please let me know how to resolve this issue as soon as possible.</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Kind Regards</span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Mehrdad </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>TRNSYS-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TRNSYS-users@lists.onebuilding.org">TRNSYS-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/trnsys-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/trnsys-users-onebuilding.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>