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<p class="MsoNormal">Bon dia Angel,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I checked the three points that you mentioned in your previous email and the first option was the one which cause the problem.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I reduced the time step to 30 seconds and the behaviour of the controller improved but as you can imagine the simulations was really slow, so I increased the number of oscillations (controller parameter 1) and now the controller works OK,
is it a possibility or I should maintain the number of oscillations in 5?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you very much for your help,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Carol<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Angel Carrera [mailto:angel.carrera@aiguasol.coop]
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<b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 24 de enero de 2014 14:35<br>
<b>Para:</b> TRNSYS users mailing list at the Solar Energy Lab, UW-Madison<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] question related to type2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Carol,<br>
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I forgot one more thing: make sure that the output control function is connected to the same type "input control function", cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2014/1/24 Angel Carrera <<a href="mailto:angel.carrera@aiguasol.coop" target="_blank">angel.carrera@aiguasol.coop</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Egun on Carol,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think there a two basic reasons for this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">1-The controller gets stuck due to a lack of stability of your model. Parameter 1 sets the number of oscillations that the controller can do in a single time step; if the controller changes of state while trnsys
is iterating within a time step, it will never do it (change) more times than the value you have set in parameter 1, so it gets fixed when the number of changes reaches that value. I can't explain it better than it is done in the user help (at least in english),
so I recommend you to carefully read the introduction in the controllers section of the mathematical reference on the trnsys help as well as type 2b section. To solve this, usually the best you can do is reduce you time step until you have a coherent behaviour
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">2-The monitoring temperature is governing the controller. If the Input Control Functio (inputs tab of the proforma) exceeds the value of the parameter 2, then the controller output is set to 0.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I imagine that the first possibility is the one explaining that behaviour; reducing the time step is probably a good help for your model, good luck<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Angel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2014/1/24 Pascual Ortiz, Carol <<a href="mailto:carol.pascual@tecnalia.com" target="_blank">carol.pascual@tecnalia.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In my last simulation I use type 2 on/off differential controllers and I do not know why sometimes it works ok and others doesn´t.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For example Time step temperature control signal<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> 4016,65 25 0<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> 4016,70 25 1<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> 4016,75 25 0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Do you know what I am doing wrong? Does this ever happen to you?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you in advance,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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