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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Pauline Gelin,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I realised that your question seems to be still open.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Without knowing what you compare it is hard to explain any difference.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If you need further advise you may send an example showing the difference to
<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:PersonName w:st="on">hotline</st1:PersonName>@transsolar.com</st1:PersonName>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Does anyone know where
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">does
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">this difference come from</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">?
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">What values of Uframe</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">,
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">and percentage
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">frame and
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">spacer</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">, does
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">TRNBUILD consider
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">:
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">those entries in the database glazings or those filled in the database window that is created for each project?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The frame data isn’t read from the window database at all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The "edge" is a 2.5in (63.5mm) wide band at glass periphery; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The thermal data of the edge can be selected at the window type manager of TRNbuild. If the option „ID spacer = 0“ is selected
the data from the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">window database is used.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Marion<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green;font-weight:bold">Dipl.-Ing.
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marion Hiller</st1:PersonName></span></font></b><b><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold"><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold">Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Curiestraße 2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">70563
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuttgart</st1:PersonName><br>
Telefon: +49 711 67976-0<br>
</span></font><u><font size="1" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><a href="http://www.trnsys.de/">http://www.trnsys.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font size="1" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></font></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green;font-weight:bold">Transsolar: KlimaEngineering- Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und Nutzerkomfort in Gebäuden</span></font></b><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="OLE_LINK1"></a><a name="OLE_LINK2"></a><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><font size="1" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:green;font-weight:bold">Stutt</span></font></b><b><font size="1" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:green;font-weight:bold">gart</span></font></b></st1:PersonName><b><font size="1" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:green;font-weight:bold">
– München – New York – Paris <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Geschäftsführer :Diplom-Ingenieur Matthias Schuler, Diplom-Ingenieur
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Thomas Auer</st1:PersonName>, Diplom-Physiker <st1:PersonName w:st="on">
Stefan Holst</st1:PersonName>, Diplom-Betriebswirt Dieter Schnelle<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Eingetragen beim Amtsgericht
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuttgart</st1:PersonName> HRB 23347, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Steuernummer: 99073/00911,USt-IdNr.: DE 152272639<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu</st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Im Auftrag von </span></b>Pauline GELIN<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Montag, 27. Mai 2013 14:43<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">An:</span></b> trnsys-users<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Betreff:</span></b> [TRNSYS-users] Persistent questioning about window definition</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Hello,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Sorry to insist but I am really blocked by these questions of data. I am not at all sure of the TRNSYS simulations.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Are</span></font></span><span class="shorttext"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">there no</span></font></span><span class="shorttext"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">one else who</span></font></span><span class="shorttext"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">has</span></font></span><span class="shorttext"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">met</span></font></span><span class="shorttext"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">these misunderstandings?</span></font></span><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold">Pauline GELIN<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold">Ingénieur Conception environnementale<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Comic Sans MS"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D"><img border="0" width="79" height="52" id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE6DA8.63D9BB30" alt="cid:image004.jpg@01CE062A.F4C2C000"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D"><img border="0" width="81" height="13" id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CE6DA8.63D9BB30" alt="cid:image006.jpg@01CE062A.F4C2C000"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">10 avenue des canuts<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">69120 VAULX EN VELIN<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">T : 04.37.45.33.33
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold">Ligne directe : 04.37.45.33.47<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">De :</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Pauline GELIN
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé :</span></b> jeudi 23 mai 2013 09:49<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> trnsys-users<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> Persistent questioning about window definition<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Arial">Hi,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Then</span></font></span><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">
<span class="hps">I used</span> <span class="hps">a glass</span> <span class="hps">
that I had created</span> <span class="hps">from</span> <span class="hps">WINDOW6</span>
<span class="hps">software</span>, <span class="hps">it turned out</span> <span class="hps">
that the</span> <span class="hps">Uwin</span> value, <span class="hps">given</span>
<span class="hps">output by</span> T<span class="hps">RNBUILD</span> <span class="hps">
and</span> <span class="hps">used</span> <span class="hps">in the simulations,</span>
<span class="hps">did not</span> <span class="hps">correspond to</span> <span class="hps">
what I expected</span>, <span class="hps">result</span> <span class="hps">due to</span>
<span class="hps">the</span> <span class="hps">Ug</span> <span class="hps">value</span> from
<span class="hps">database</span> <span class="hps">and </span>percentage frame and Uframe filled in
<span class="hps">TRNBUILD</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">After many tests, it appears that the calculated Uwin TRNBUILD differs if I take a glazing created in WINDOW6</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">,
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">for which I have not information of spacer and, or
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">a
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">glazing initially given in the TRNBUILD database</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">.
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">While
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">Uframe percentage and spacer values indicated in my database windows are the same.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Does anyone know where
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">does
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">this difference come from</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">?
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">What values of Uframe</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">,
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">and percentage
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">frame and
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">spacer</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">, does
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">TRNBUILD consider
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">:
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">those entries in the database glazings or those filled in the database window that is created for each project?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">This misunderstanding
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">about the
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">values considered by
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">T</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">RNBUILD is not at all reassuring.
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Especially when I tested a window created with WINDOW6 and one from the initial TRNBUILD database with 100% glass (so without frame).
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">And in the first case I found
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">a
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">Uwin value equal to 0.3 instead of Ug equal to 1.07.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">And in the second case I found a Uwin value of 1.22 for the same value of
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">Ug equal to
</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial">1.07</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial">.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Thanks a lot in advance for all your answers.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Best regards,</span></font></span><span class="hps"><font face="Arial"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marion Hiller</st1:PersonName> [<a href="mailto:hiller@transsolar.com">mailto:hiller@transsolar.com</a>]
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé :</span></b> vendredi 18 mai 2012 08:49<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b> Pauline GELIN<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc :</span></b> trnsys-users<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b> AW: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem of windows and layers definitions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Dear Pauline,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">I had a quick look at your questions.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Concerning the definition of a window, we would like to know if Ug presented in the library already includes convective heat transfer coefficients (if so what
value?) and the standard to which it is calculated ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:
l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Wingdings"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">è<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><span lang="EN-GB">The Ug values presented in the German library related to products are the values you can find in the catalog.<br>
This means including including convective + radiative heat transfer coefficients and are in general measuered under test condition<br>
acc. to a standard. The values are shown such that the user can select a glass according to published properties.<br>
These values are NOT used during the simulation! Type 56 uses the pane, gap properties as well as the pacer and frame properties<br>
AND the real temperature conditions to calculate heat transfer through the window.
<font color="#1f497d"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Best,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Dipl.-Ing.
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Marion Hiller</st1:PersonName> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">TRANSSOLAR: KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und Nutzerkomfort in Gebäude
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Munich - New York -
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuttgart</st1:PersonName> + 49.711.67976.0 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2, 70563
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuttgart</st1:PersonName> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Stuttgart</st1:PersonName> - HRB 23347, Steuernummer 99073/00911, USt-IdNr.: DE152272639
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">Geschäftsführer: Dipl.Ing. Matthias Schuler, Dipl.Ing.
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Thomas Auer</st1:PersonName>, Dipl.Phys. <st1:PersonName w:st="on">
Stefan Holst</st1:PersonName>, Prof. Dipl.-Ing. Bleicher <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: Pauline GELIN [<a href="mailto:p.gelin@katene.fr">mailto:p.gelin@katene.fr</a>]
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2012 16:38<br>
An: David BRADLEY; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Matt Duffy</st1:PersonName> <<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>> (<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>); trnsys-users (<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>)<br>
Cc: Vincent MORELLE; Amélie MARILLER<br>
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