<div dir="ltr">David, <div><br></div><div style>Thanks for your answer. </div><div style><br></div><div style>As you can see from the attached screenshot, there is, to me, enough thermal capacitance in the loop (actually it is modelling an existing system, pipe length and tank volume are known). Simulation time step is 10 min and input data time step is also 10 min. </div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Thanks in advance for your help, </div><div style><br></div><div style>Have a good day,</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#999999"><b>Damien Casetta</b></font></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 May 2013 22:09, David BRADLEY <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Damien,<br>
As far as your question 2/ is concerned, my guess is that the time
step in question did not converge. When components do not converge
after a certain number of iterations, TRNSYS stops iterating and
makes the "end of time step" call, then goes on to the next time
step. In earlier versions of TRNSYS, this was referred to as the
"post convergence" call but really that is poorly named since that
call is made whether or not convergence was reached.<br>
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Check to make sure that there is some thermal capacitance in your
flow loop and that your time step is not too big. If you have
simplified the loop by omitting the piping or if you are using too
long a time step convergence of the controls becomes very
challenging.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
David<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>Thanks Ciarán for your help. However, the .lst
file doesn't say much more about the errors. <br>
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1/ The unit number (24) is not written on the input file.
Plus, the associated type changes (and is not in the current
simulation in most cases) each time I get this error. Let's
forget about this then. <br>
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2/ The second error ("a negative flow rate was encountered")
has retained my attention (first of all because it stops the
simulation) and I would be glad if I could draw your attention
on this issue. Please find attached the TRNSYS model and refer
to it for unit and type numbers. As you can see I have traced
the critical components to better understand the error. Here
is what happens : </div>
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<div>- During post-convergence call, mass balance is
not achieved through the first tee piece (Type 11, Unit 55).
Input flow rates are 339,8 kg/hr and 0 kg/hr whereas output
flow rate is 339,6 kg/hr (equal to iteration 0 and 1 of the
current time step and to the converged value of the previous
time step). Right after this, in the lst file, a fatal error
is detected (no unit specified), as attached in my previous
message. Does it occur at iteration 0 of the next time step?
Why is it post-convergence call (current time step) if a
simple mass balance is not checked? <br>
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Feel free to ask if you need more info about the project,</div>
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Thanks a lot for helping me on this, </div>
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<div>Have a nice day,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 May 2013 16:41, Flynn Ciaran <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ciaran.flynn@aalto.fi" target="_blank">ciaran.flynn@aalto.fi</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hey
Damien,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Click
on the “Lst file…” tab, you can see it from
the screenshot you took. This will open your
lst file and when you scroll to the bottom
of it you will get more information about
the type of errors you are getting.<br>
(Note that to access this file directly, go
to the same directory as your trnsys file
and it’s the text file in the same name)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hope
this helps,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bon
wkd,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ciarán</span></p>
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