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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=PL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Marion,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>It seems to me that problem is solved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I didn’t know that I should generate .shm file before simulation to take into account shading zones. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>When I have generated .shm files results seems ok: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Building without surroundings consider only windows in kitchen and living (because those window are shadowed by balcony and corner, and bedroom window isn’t shadowed). Building with surroundings consider all windows, because bedroom window get ‘sunlit obstacle’. Energy demand is higher for shaded building and there is also less radiation through windows (ntype 74).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>So, thank you for your time and hints!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>If you notice some misunderstanding in my thinking let me know, please!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Karol<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Marion Hiller [<a href="mailto:hiller@transsolar.com">mailto:hiller@transsolar.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> karol.bandurski<br><b>Subject:</b> AW: RE: radiation and shadow, type 56<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Karol,</span><span lang=DE> </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Well, does the list file contain a notice that the SHM is used during the simulation?</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I suggest to use NTYPE 101 and 102 for checking that Shading occurs of the window of the bedroom. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>In winter time you need to see an effect for the Bedroom,</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>If you have no external or internal shading control activated.</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Best,</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Marion</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#005A00'>Dipl.-Ing. Marion Hiller </span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#009900'><br></span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#007000'>TRANSSOLAR: KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und Nutzerkomfort in Gebäude </span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#005A00'><br>Munich - New York - Stuttgart + 49.711.67976.0 <br><br></span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2, 70563 Stuttgart <br>Amtsgericht Stuttgart - HRB 23347, Steuernummer 99073/00911, USt-IdNr.: DE152272639</span></b><span lang=DE> <span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Geschäftsführer: Dipl.Ing. Matthias Schuler, Dipl.Ing. Thomas Auer, Dipl.Phys. Stefan Holst, Prof. Dipl.-Ing. Bleicher </span></b><span lang=DE> </span><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='color:navy'> </span><span lang=DE> </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Karol Bandurski [<a href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl">mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2012 10:25<br><b>An:</b> Marion Hiller; <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: radiation and shadow, type 56</span><span lang=DE> </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Dear Marion and Others</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I try to improve my file on myself. It seems to me that it is prepared well, but results are still strange:</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Building with surrounding buildings has only a little higher heating demand but there is no difference in solar gains for each version (with and without surrounding buildings).</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I use ntype 74 for solar radiation gains.</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I enclose .bui files and .idf files exported form TRNBuild (Mnr8_alone is from MNr8, and Mnr8_shading is from Mnr8_3D_sh)</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I will be grateful for your time and hints!</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Karol</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>------------------------------------------------</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Karol Bandurski MSc.</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><a href="http://www.ee.put.poznan.pl/" target="_top"><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'>Institute of Environmental Engineering</span></a></span> <span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D;background:white'>Poznan University of Technology</span><span lang=EN-US> <span style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><a href="http://www.ee.put.poznan.pl/"><span lang=EN-US>www.ee.put.poznan.pl</span></a></span> <span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><a href="http://www.put.poznan.pl/">www.put.poznan.pl</a></span> <span style='color:#1F497D;background:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Marion Hiller [<a href="mailto:hiller@transsolar.com">mailto:hiller@transsolar.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> karol.bandurski<br><b>Cc:</b> trnsys-users<br><b>Subject:</b> AW: radiation and shadow, type 56</span><span lang=EN-US> </span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Karol,</span><span lang=DE> </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>No this is impossible.</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>However, the bui files aren’t the same, especially the geometric part of the </span><span lang=EN-US>Mnr8_sh </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>contains only geometric information of 2 zones</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>BATHROOM and HALL.</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Also the calculated volume isn’t the same.</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>It looks like all the zones with the GEOMODE=MIXED are missing. How did you create shading file?</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I repaired you shading file concerning the geometry. Are the results now ok?</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Best,</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Marion</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#005A00'>Dipl.-Ing. Marion Hiller </span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#009900'><br></span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#007000'>TRANSSOLAR: KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und Nutzerkomfort in Gebäude </span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#005A00'><br>Munich - New York - Stuttgart + 49.711.67976.0 <br><br></span></b><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Transsolar Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2, 70563 Stuttgart <br>Amtsgericht Stuttgart - HRB 23347, Steuernummer 99073/00911, USt-IdNr.: DE152272639</span></b><span lang=DE> <span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Geschäftsführer: Dipl.Ing. Matthias Schuler, Dipl.Ing. Thomas Auer, Dipl.Phys. Stefan Holst, Prof. Dipl.-Ing. Bleicher </span></b><span lang=DE> </span><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='color:navy'> </span><span lang=DE> </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> </span><span lang=DE><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Karol Bandurski [<a href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl">mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2012 00:24<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>; Marion Hiller<br><b>Betreff:</b> radiation and shadow, type 56</span><span lang=DE> </span><span lang=DE style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DE><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear All, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I have two .bui files of the building. The first file is assumes that there is no buildings next to consider one( Mnr8), the second file contain shadow zone of surrounding buildings (Mnr8_sh). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The energy demand are higher for version with building shadow zone –it seems OK. But I am looking for solar radiation that reach building windows in each case, so I use NTYPE 69 or 74 (it is ok???). And the problem is that the building with shadow has higher values of those NTYPE then the building without shadow. How it is possible??? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I will be grateful for any hints! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Regard, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Karol <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>