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<div><Jeff, that's been bugging me for a while...most equipment is specified at a "rated" condition. Take a fan for example: the controller will accept a value greater than 1. I assumed 1 is the fan flow at rated pressure and efficiency. less than 1 and greater than one will ride the fan curve defined by the fan coefficients to deturmine the power draw at flowrates=ratedflowrate*control signal. I expect pumps to work the same and for that matter most equipment. The term "maximum" could possibly be "rated maximum". coils should be no exception. How far a system is allowed to exceed rated maximums should be known to the engineer. I allow my fans to go at 1.3 of max rated flow, but design the system to work at 1.</div>
<div>is this understanding of Trnsys models correct?></div>
<p>Your summary of the rated conditions in TRNSYS is correct for the majority of the models available - but I will warn you that some of the older models do not allow the input control signals to go greater than 1. So your rated condition in those models IS the maximum condition allowed. As with any model, when you create the power coefficients you should make sure the resulting curves are valid over the entire range provided.</p>
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<p>Jeff</p>
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<p><em>22 N. Carroll Street, Madison WI USA 53703</em></p>
<p><em>Office: (608) 274-2577 Fax: (608) 278-1475</em></p>
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<p>On 11/28/2012 1:38 pm, jeannieboef wrote:</p>
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<div>Jeff, that's been bugging me for a while...most equipment is specified at a "rated" condition. Take a fan for example: the controller will accept a value greater than 1. I assumed 1 is the fan flow at rated pressure and efficiency. less than 1 and greater than one will ride the fan curve defined by the fan coefficients to deturmine the power draw at flowrates=ratedflowrate*control signal. I expect pumps to work the same and for that matter most equipment. The term "maximum" could possibly be "rated maximum". coils should be no exception. How far a system is allowed to exceed rated maximums should be known to the engineer. I allow my fans to go at 1.3 of max rated flow, but design the system to work at 1.</div>
<div>is this understanding of Trnsys models correct?</div>
<div>regards</div>
<div>jean<br /><br />Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br />On 28.11.2012, at 18:10, Jeff Thornton <<a href="mailto:thornton@tess-inc.com">thornton@tess-inc.com</a>> wrote:<br /><br /></div>
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<p>Type 512 has internal controls to vary the speed of the hot-side flow rate through the heat exchanger. I'm guessing that you're hooking up a pump to this heat exchanger and the flow rate into the HX is not the flow rate out of the HX - as 512 is setting the flow rate. The best way to use 512 is to use a variable speed pump model and make sure the maximum flow rate parameter for both the pump and HX models are identical. Then put the pump either upstream or downstream of the HX and connect the 6th output of the heat exchanger model to the control signal for the pump - so that they both produce the same flow rate.</p>
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<p>Jeff Thornton</p>
<p><em>President - TESS LLC</em></p>
<p><em>22 N. Carroll Street, Madison WI USA 53703</em></p>
<p><em>Office: (608) 274-2577 Fax: (608) 278-1475</em></p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.tess-inc.com">www.tess-inc.com</a></em></p>
<p><em>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:thornton@tess-inc.com">thornton@tess-inc.com</a></em></p>
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<p>On 11/28/2012 6:11 am, Flynn Ciaran wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am running my simulation with a type 512 heat exchanger and I get the following warning message (no convergence errors, just warnings) at the end of my simulation (time step: 0.1 hour):</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*** Warning at time : 39384.000000</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Generated by Unit : 45</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Generated by Type : 512</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Message : Heat exchanger mass balance failed during 112810 time steps. Please check the connections.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do not understand what could be the reason for this. I have gone through my connections and they all seem fine (I do not get this problem with heat exchanger type 91).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your help,</p>
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