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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>a time base of 9 hours indicates
that there is something wrong with your wall/ layer definition.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please note, that the
transfer functions should not be used for modelling the soil underneath the
building.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> 王洋
[mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Samstag, 17. November
2012 18:28<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> leen peeters<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> trnsys-users<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Fwd:
Error creating the wall transfer function coeffients</span></font><o:p></o:p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
leen,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your email!<br>
I tried till 9 hours as the TIMEBASE which can work. But could you please tell
me the detailed reasons for that? i.e. why we need so large TIMEBASE 9 hours to
meet its Stability Criteria? <o:p></o:p></span></font>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Br.<br>
wang<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2012/11/16 王洋 <<a
href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com" target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dear leen,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your email!<br>
I tried till 9 hours as the TIMEBASE which can work. But could you please tell
me the detailed reasons for that? i.e. why we need so large TIMEBASE 9 hours to
meet its Stability Criteria? <o:p></o:p></span></font>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Br.<br>
wang<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2012/11/15 leen peeters <<a href="mailto:l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com"
target="_blank">l.f.r.peeters@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Can you open in TRNBUILD the 'project' window, and consequently the
'outputs', change the timebase for calculation of your transfer function to
something higher. I think it is standard on 2 hour, change it into 5, check. If
it works, then try 4, ..... until you reach the lowest possible number <o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:28 PM, 王洋 <<a
href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com" target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear all,<br>
<br>
I have a question about *.BUI file. I create a project with about 30 zones
using TRNSYS 16.<br>
Before I created the seventeenth zone using the same exterior wall and floor as
well as interior wall etc for the project, it worked well. But when the
seventeenth zone created, it appeared an ERROR in TRNBuild: <font
color="#3333ff"><span style='color:#3333FF'>Error creating the wall transfer
function coeffients</span></font>. Please see the attached figure. The second
file is its INF file.<br>
<br>
If you had some relative experience, PLEASE tell me how to solve with this
problem.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Br.<br>
wang<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>---------- Forwarded
message ----------<br>
From: <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>王洋</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com" target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: 2012/11/15<br>
Subject: Error creating the wall transfer function coeffients<br>
To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
I have a question about *.BUI file. I create a project with about 30 zones
using TRNSYS 16.<br>
Before I created the seventeenth zone using the same exterior wall and floor as
well as interior wall etc for the project, it worked well. But when the
seventeenth zone created, it appeared an ERROR in TRNBuild: <font
color="#3333ff"><span style='color:#3333FF'>Error creating the wall transfer
function coeffients</span></font>. Please see the attached figure. The second
file is its INF file.<br>
<br>
If you had some relative experience, PLEASE tell me how to solve with this
problem.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance!<br>
Br.<br>
<br>
wang<o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: Type 15-2: Relationship between data arrangements,<br>
simulation times and convergence (David BRADLEY)<br>
2. simulation trend opposite to reality (validation)<br>
(Karol Bandurski)<br>
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From: David BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com"
target="_blank">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br>
To: Flynn Ciaran <<a href="mailto:ciaran.flynn@aalto.fi" target="_blank">ciaran.flynn@aalto.fi</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>"
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:09:38 -0600<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Type 15-2: Relationship between data
arrangements, simulation times and convergence<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ciarán,<br>
Option 1) is incorrect. Type15 is intended to be used with year-long
weather files that have a 1-hour data interval. The component knows from the
simulation start and stop time what day of the year it is, so if you trick it
by setting the simulation start time to hour zero and rearrange the weather
file to start in the middle of the year, what the Type calculates about the
sunup and sundown times and what the data file says is happening are not going
to match at all. Option 2 is the only correct one.<br>
Best,<br>
David<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 11/12/2012 06:32, Flynn Ciaran wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have
a couple of questions concerning the relationship between the arrangement of
data in TMY2 weather files, TRNSYS simulation times and convergence errors. I
tried looking at the source code but I could not figure out the answer..<br>
I am running a simulation for one year, using Type 15-2 for weather, starting
at 1h on July 1<sup>st</sup> and ending at 24h on June 30<sup>th</sup>. This
leaves me with two options: <br>
1) Either I rearrange the tm2 file to start at 1h on the 1<sup>st</sup> of July
and end at 24h on June 30<sup>th</sup>, and set the simulation start and stop
times to 0 and 8760h respectively, or <br>
2) Either I leave the weather file as it is and set the simulation start and
stop times at 4344h and 13104h respectively.</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>When I
use a provided weather file (e.g. CA-BC-Vancouver-718920.tm2) and set the
simulation time step at 0.1h, I get the following:</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Time steps where: <br>
calculated total horizontal radiation > horizontal extraterrestrial
radiation</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Time steps where: <br>
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Time steps where: <br>
calculated horizontal beam radiation > total horizontal radiation</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>3498</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>6424</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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auto;text-align:center'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt'>13</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>So my
question are:</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>-<span
style='font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal'></span></font><font size=1><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span lang=EN-US>Why is TRNSYS giving different error
messages if the same weather data are used ? (I believe that there are no other
types in my file that could explain the reason for this)</span><o:p></o:p>
</p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>-<span
style='font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal'></span></font><font size=1><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span lang=EN-US>What parameters do the radiation values
calculated by TRNSYS depend on and how are they calculated? </span><o:p></o:p>
</p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>-<span
style='font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal'></span></font><font size=1><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span lang=EN-US>What is the best approach in this
situation (minimal radiation errors)?</span><o:p></o:p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks
a lot,</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ciarán</span><o:p></o:p></font>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>David BRADLEY<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Principal<o:p></o:p></span></font>
</pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>22 North Carroll Street - suite 370<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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</pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>P:<a
href="tel:%2B1.608.274.2577" target="_blank" value="+16082742577">+1.608.274.2577</a><o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
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From: "Karol Bandurski" <<a
href="mailto:karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl" target="_blank">karol.bandurski@put.poznan.pl</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>>,
<<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
Cc: <br>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:45 +0100<br>
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] simulation trend opposite to reality (validation)<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
simulate the dwelling in TRNSYS. Last time a try to validate my model and I
compare simulation results with measurements.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><u><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Heat consumption</span></font></u></b><span lang=EN-US> has
been measured in dwelling every week (the same day of week and the same hour).<o:p></o:p></span>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Trnsys
simulation generate results for dwelling’s model with ideal heating
assumptions (set temperature 20/21) –NTYPE2 (sensible <b><u><span
style='font-weight:bold'>energy demand</span></u></b>).<o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Total <b><u><span
style='font-weight:bold'>heat consumption (measurements)</span></u></b> of
dwelling and <b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'>energy demand (simulation)</span></u></b>
of simulated model are quite similar (36 weeks from September to June), but if
we look on weekly results there are bigger difference with interesting
regularity:<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>if <b><u><span
style='font-weight:bold'>heat consumption</span></u></b> decreases from one
week to the next, then <b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'>energy demand</span></u></b>
increase, and vice versa (I enclose graph).<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Could
you tell me what can cause this lack of coincidence?<o:p></o:p></span></font>
</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>I will
be grateful for any hints!<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Karol<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt'>Karol
Bandurski MSc.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=PL style='font-size:12.0pt;background:
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