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    Pauline,<br>
      In addition to Adrien's response, the sky temperature model that
    is implemented in Type15 (when reading meteonorm files for example)
    is the same one that is in the TESS Type575.<br>
    Best,<br>
     David<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/22/2012 08:22, ITF - Adrien
      JEZEQUEL wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Hi
            Pauline,<br>
            <br>
            This subject was ever treated in the past :<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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            Different models exist to evaluate sky temperature. </font></font><font
          size="-1"><font face="Arial"> That's why you may find
            differents values.</font></font><br>
        <font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Meteonorm software use
            SoDa/ESRA clear sky model.<br>
            <br>
            In trnsys, you may use  :<br>
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        <ul>
          <li>type69a : cloudiness factor is not controled by user<br>
          </li>
          <li>type69b : cloudiness factor is an input of the type<br>
          </li>
          <li>type575a and type575b (In TESS library only)</li>
        </ul>
        <p>If you compare sky temperature given by meteonorm data and
          sky temperatures given with type69b with the same cloudiness
          factor as meteonorm data, results won't be so different.<br>
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        <p>Best regards<br>
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              lang="EN-US">For a project I would like to check if the
              effective sky temperature done by the weather type 9
              (Meteonorm) is the same than the temperature calculated in
              the type 69 (with 4 inputs from the type 9). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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