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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Pauline,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you use the type 9, you have 2 ways of thinking :<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want the type read exactly the value of your file, you have to set 0 for the parameter “Average or instantaneous” (0 for average)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want the type get the average between 2 values, you set 1 (instantaneous).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It seems strange but it can be explained by the fact that TRNSYS use the value defined for 1 time step, so when you define the value like an “average”, TRNSYS use it directly (this value is OK for 1 time step long) and when you define the value like an “instantaneous value” (for example 17 at 7am and 19 at 8am), TRNSYS has to get the average (18) for the time step calculation (between 7am and 8am).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t know if it is clear enough and I hope it will help you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Vincent COSTE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>AMOES<br><a href="mailto:vincent.coste@amoes.com">vincent.coste@amoes.com</a><br><a href="http://www.amoes.com/">www.amoes.com</a></span><i><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tél : 01 41 32 22 11<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fax : 01 40 86 29 16<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>31 rue bapst<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>92600 Asnières sur Seine<o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Pauline GELIN [mailto:p.gelin@katene.fr] <br><b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 21 août 2012 08:27<br><b>À :</b> David BRADLEY; Matt Duffy <duffy@tess-inc.com> (duffy@tess-inc.com); trnsys-users (trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu)<br><b>Cc :</b> Vincent MORELLE; Amélie MARILLER<br><b>Objet :</b> [TRNSYS-users] definition of TRNSYS's outputs for temperature<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear TRNSYS users, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Further to my</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <span class=hps>previous</span> <span class=hps>mail,</span> <span class=hps>you can</span> <span class=hps>find attached</span>, indeed we saw<span class=hps> that the</span> <span class=hps>temperatures given by</span> <span class=hps>TRNSYS</span> <span class=hps>are the average</span> of the </span><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math","serif";color:#1F497D'></span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>desired</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> values <span class=hps>between</span> <span class=hps>two time steps</span>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In our projects, such</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <span class=hps>results</span> <span class=hps>are detrimental:</span></span><span class=hps><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> for example <span class=hps>when</span> <span class=hps>we count</span> <span class=hps>the number</span> <span class=hps>of hours</span> <span class=hps>above a certain</span> <span class=hps>value <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>or</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <span class=hps>even when we</span> show on a graphic <span class=hps>the temperature curve</span> <span class=hps>of</span> <span class=hps>a day with desired</span> <span class=hps>setpoint temperatures</span> as TRNSYS’s outputs of temperature don’t match with these setpoints. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Knowing that</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <span class=hps>the software has</span> <span class=hps>the right information of temperature at</span> <span class=hps>time</span> <span class=hps>X,</span> <span class=hps>why could</span> <span class=hps>not it give us</span> <span class=hps>this</span> <span class=hps>information</span> <span class=hps>rather than</span> <span class=hps>the average</span> <span class=hps>time</span> <span class=hps>between the</span> time X-1 and time X ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Does anyone already have these problems? How did you fix them ? Do you know if we can have these instantaneous values by choosing an option somewhere in the software? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks a lot for your answers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pauline Gelin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fluid and Environmental design engineer<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=631 style='width:473.25pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=140 valign=top style='width:104.65pt;border:solid #F79646 2.25pt;border-right:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:-7.1pt;text-align:center'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#31849B'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:7.1pt;text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#31849B'><img border=0 width=125 height=70 id="Image_x0020_5" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CD7F7F.9867B540" alt="Description : 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style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Pauline GELIN <br><b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 16 mai 2012 16:38<br><b>À :</b> 'David BRADLEY'; 'Matt Duffy <<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>> (<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>)'; 'trnsys-users (<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>)'<br><b>Cc :</b> Amélie MARILLER; Vincent MORELLE<br><b>Objet :</b> RE: problem of windows and layers definitions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Hello, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>I am so sorry to </span><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>insist</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <span class=hps>but,</span> <span class=hps>despite</span> <span class=hps>several tests,</span> <span class=hps>I</span> <span class=hps>can not</span> <span class=hps>find the answers</span> <span class=hps>to my questions</span> <span class=hps>from the previous</span> <span class=hps>mail.</span> <span class=hps>Does anyone</span> <span class=hps>even</span> <span class=hps>just have an idea</span> <span class=hps>of quick answer ?</span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>I</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <span class=hps>also</span> <span class=hps>appeal to you</span> <span class=hps>about</span> <span class=hps>another</span> <span class=hps>problem I have</span> <span class=hps>with each project</span> <span class=hps>on</span> <span class=hps>TRNSYS</span>. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>When</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <span class=hps>I define</span> <span class=hps>a set temperature</span> <span class=hps>at a specific time</span> <span class=hps>(</span>eg 20 <span class=hps>°</span> <span class=hps>C</span> <span class=hps>at 7am</span>), <span class=hps>the temperature</span> <span class=hps>zones</span> <span class=hps>does not reach</span> <span class=hps>20 °</span> <span class=hps>C</span> <span class=hps>at</span> <span class=hps>7am</span> <span class=hps>but</span> <span class=hps>an hour later.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>It seems that, at 7 am, the temperature is</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <span class=hps>rather</span> <span class=hps>than the average</span> <span class=hps>value</span> <span class=hps>between</span> <span class=hps>the</span> past temperature and the set temperature.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><br><span class=hps>Do you</span> <span class=hps>have an explanation</span> <span class=hps>and</span> <span class=hps>above all a</span> <span class=hps>solution to this?</span></span><span class=hps><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><br><span class=hps>Do we have to </span> <span class=hps>clarify</span> <span class=hps>something (a field) about</span> <span class=hps>the component</span> <span class=hps>type 9</span>,used to read <span class=hps>the</span> <span class=hps>text file</span> <span class=hps>with</span> <span class=hps>the set temperatures</span> <span class=hps>for each hour</span> <span class=hps>of the year </span>?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thank you very much for your help.</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Best regards, </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Pauline Gelin</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Fluid and Environmental design enginee</span></span><span class=hps><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>r</span></span><span lang=EN style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>