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Dear Wrang,<br>
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You are right : the Tcool I gave you was equal to 26, not to 24°C.
Tset value is not important as well, the most important is that you
understand how to do to define Tset.<br>
In your model, your heating and cooling advices seem to work fine.
Your problem comes frome your internal gain : 31 people are defined
all the time in a room of approximatively 80 m², without schedule. <br>
Because of your important internal gains, air temperature increases
until 35°C in winter. Then air temperature is refreshed because
Tcool = 35°C in winter.<br>
In summer, air is cooled at 24°C, because this is the temperature
you define in your cooling advice.<br>
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Le 12/06/2012 18:19, 王洋 a écrit :
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cite="mid:CABF0dEuv7XDvunOjtO5vFoGSzjfBzpGU5QmGPKFG7Az6V+1NRw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><font size="4">Dear Adrien Jezequel,<br>
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Thanks for your quick reply!<br>
</font><font size="4"><font face="Arial">Tcool = 35 - 9 * Summer </font></font><font
size="4">means</font><font size="4"> if in summer, Tcool = 26
°C?<br>
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I tried </font><font size="4">to run the simulation based on
your solution</font><font size="4"><font face="Arial"> Tcool =
35 - 9 * Summer</font>, the result is also like the last
Attached.<br>
Oppositely, </font><font size="4"><font face="Arial">it is not
my heating system seems to work all the time, it is my cooling</font></font><font
size="4"><font face="Arial"> system seems to work all the time</font>.<br>
I set internal gains all the year.<br>
<br>
Please see the Attached *.tpf and *.bui files, if you have free
time , please help me have a look and give me some solutions.<br>
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Many thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
Br.<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font size="-1"><font
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mail :<br>
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<li><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Tcool = 35 - 9 *
Summer (instead of 35*winter - 9*summer) <br>
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<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Regarding your heating
system it may be something like :<br>
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<li><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Theat = 21*Winter</font></font></li>
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<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Regarding your attached
picture, your heating system seems to work all the time.
<br>
In summer, either you cool at 21°C, either there is no
internal gains defined, and you heat at 21°C.<br>
Check your differents inputs.<br>
You can procede step by step (internal gain = 0,
ventilation = 0, infiltration rate = 0...) to see the
influence of each parameters in your model to catch your
issue.<br>
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Le 12/06/2012 17:47, 王洋 a écrit :
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<blockquote type="cite"><font size="4">Dear Adrien
Jezequel,<br>
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</font><font color="#000000" size="4">Many thanks!</font><font
size="4"><br style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><font size="4">I think
you'd better put for cooling temperatures <br>
</font> </p>
<font size="4"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"> </span></font>
<ul style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">
<li><font size="4">35°C in winter (no cool) -
heating temperature at 21°C<br>
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<li><font size="4">24°C in summer</font></li>
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<font size="4"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">
which may be translated in an equation tool by
something like :</span><br
style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"> </span></font>
<ul style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">
<li><font size="4">summer =
GE(TIME,2162)*LT(TIME,6552)</font></li>
<li><font size="4">winter = 1 - summer<br>
</font> </li>
<li><font size="4">Tcool = 35*Winter - 9*Summer</font></li>
</ul>
<font size="4">For <span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">Tcool
= 35*Winter - 9*Summer</span>, do you mean if in
winter, Tcool = 35 °C, so Cooling doesn't work ; if
in summer, Tcool = -9°C or 24 °C?<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, another weird phenomena appear: After
running based on your solution in winter, indoor
temperature becomes 35 °C also not 21 °C, although I
set heating temperature as 21 °C; in summer,
however, indoor temperature becomes 21 °C. Please
see the Attached On-Line Plotter image.<br>
Furthermore, when I create another Tcool equation as
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">35*winter+24*summer</span>,
the result is also like the Attached On-Line Plotter
image.<br>
<br>
Please give me some solutions or advices! <br>
I think the point how to set that Cooling doesn't
work in winter? The possible reason of that problem
is that I also set a Mechanical Ventilation in
winter (Tset=19 °C) and summer </font><font
size="4">(Tset=17 °C). I guess Maybe </font><font
size="4">the Mechanical Ventilation will influence
on Cooling and heating?</font><br>
<font size="4"><br>
Many thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
Br.<br>
<br>
wang </font><br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font
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As far as I understand, the cooling set
temperature you define in your model is :<br>
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<li><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">24°C in
summer, which seems to be correct</font></font></li>
<li><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">and 0°C
in winter... which seems to be wrong,
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T<font size="-1"><font face="Arial">hat's why
you obtain huge cooling loads.<br>
BAL_ENERGY is not 0 because you heat and
cool in the same time in winter.<br>
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<p>I think you'd better put for cooling
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<li>35°C in winter (no cool) - heating
temperature at 21°C<br>
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<li>24°C in summer</li>
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which may be translated in an equation tool by
something like :<br>
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<li>summer = GE(TIME,2162)*LT(TIME,6552)</li>
<li>winter = 1 - summer<br>
</li>
<li>Tcool = 35*Winter - 9*Summer</li>
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<blockquote type="cite"><font size="4">Dear all,<br>
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I make a simulation. The cooling set
temperature is 24*Summer schedule (2162 h to
6552 h), The heating set temperature is
21*Winter schedule (the rest hours). After
running, however, it appears WEIRD
phenomenon. Please see the ATTACHED
Energy_zone.BAL file. During the winter
period, there are Qcools and Qcool is very
large up to 47000 kJ. And then it results in
wrong BAL_ENERG, it is not 0.<br>
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Please give me some advices and solutions to
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Dear Trnsys users,
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<div>In order to simulate a water-cooled
chiller, first I need to create the 2
external files for this component. </div>
<div>I'm trying to find some catalogues
with information of a 40 to 45 kW
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Does anyone has a catalgoue with this
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:56:40 +0300<br>
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Type 673 heating
problem<br>
Dear all,<br>
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I cant make type673 heating mode to work.
Cooling mode works just fine but when I
change the cooling control signal to 0 and
heating control signal to 1 it doesnt work
anymore. When the heating mode is used
nothing happens. Does anyone know why?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Santeri Siren<br>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:05:51 +0200<br>
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Flue gas stack in TRNSYS<br>
<div>Hello everyone ,</div>
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<div>Is there a way to model a flue gas stack in
TRNSYS , i need to recirculate hot air and flue
gases from the economizer in an HRSG back to a
solar tower .</div>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:23:03 GMT<br>
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] AutoReply: TRNSYS-users
Digest, Vol 90, Issue 23<br>
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I will be out of the office from June 8 - 23 on a
backpacking trip with my son and his Venture Crew
at Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico. I will not
have access to email or phone service while I am
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