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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>if you use Type 56
without TRNflow, a constant value for the air density is used as written in
PROPERTIES.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you use TRNFLOW, the air
density is temperature depended including the calculated mass flows.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Mohamed Ayman
[mailto:ayman.mohamed@aalto.fi] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 2. November
2011 12:19<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> 王洋; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] air
Density in TRNBuild</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Hi Wang<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The air density changes
with temperature in Trnbuild.<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Best Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Ayman Mohamed<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on">trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu</st1:PersonName>
[mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu</st1:PersonName>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>??<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 02, 2011
1:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [TRNSYS-users] air
Density in TRNBuild<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> Which experts can tell me a question about air density?<o:p></o:p></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> In TRNbuild </span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span lang=FI>PROPERTIES
about air density 1.2 kg/m^3: Is it a initial value? If outdoor temperature
changes in TrnFlow, this air density value will change as the teperature or it
is a constant?<o:p></o:p></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI
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lang=FI> Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span>
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</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> 1. Re: Information (<st1:PersonName w:st="on">David BRADLEY</st1:PersonName>)<br>
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---------- </span><span lang=ZH-CN>已转发邮件</span><span
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From:</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><span lang=FI>David BRADLEY</span></st1:PersonName><span lang=FI>
<<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br>
To:</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI>"Adriana G</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>ó</span></font><span lang=FI>mez
Aldana" <<a href="mailto:adrigomezaldana@gmail.com">adrigomezaldana@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date:</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:35:52 -0500<br>
Subject:</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span lang=FI>Re: [TRNSYS-users]
Information<o:p></o:p></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span lang=FI style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Adriana,<br>
</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span lang=FI> I had thought that I sent
a response about this. In case it did not get to you, here it is again:<br>
<br>
...<br>
</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> It would help to know a bit more about the configuration of your
system: what are you drying, is the material in a big lump, is it spread out on
shelves, is it moving, does it occupy most of the available space in the
chamber or a comparatively small part of the space, etc.)<br>
<br>
</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> I think you could probably use the Type56 multi-zone building model
for the drying chamber itself. <br>
<br>
</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> I would guess that you would need to write a new model for the
material that you are drying. If the material is quite spread-out then this
might be easily enough characterized by a first-order differential equation and
you even might be able to use Tess Type693. Type693 is intended to model a
thermal lumped capacitance that heats and cools according to a first-order
differential equation but I imagine that pricipals are basically the same
whether you are talking about thermal capacitance or moisture capacitance. <br>
<br>
</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> If the product is not spread out, if important moisture gradients
develop within it as it dries, or if its drying process is exothermic (like it
is for compost) then I think you would need to write your own model or
collaborate with someone who could write the model for you. In order to write
the model you would need to have access to a FORTRAN compiler such as Intel
Visual Fortran v11.x<br>
<br>
</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI> Once you have the model of the drying substance, you would connect its
moisture loss to a moisture gain input of the building (drying chamber) model.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><span
lang=FI>David<br>
<br>
On 10/30/2011 20:45, Adriana G</span><font face="Times New Roman"><span
lang=FI style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>ó</span></font><span lang=FI>mez
Aldana wrote: <o:p></o:p></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
lang=FI style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I am a TRNSYS user since it
is one of the tools for my phD thesis. Currently, I am working in a solar
drying problem and I would like to know if there is a special module to
simulate the drying chamber. If it is possible to acquire this module, I would
be very thankful if you can explain me how is the procedure to access it. </span></font><font
size=1 face=Arial><span lang=FI style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
lang=FI style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Thanks for your attention,</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
lang=FI style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Adriana Gómez</span></font><font
size=1 face=Arial><span lang=FI style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font>
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w:st="on"><font size=3 face=SimSun><span lang=FI style='font-size:12.0pt'>David BRADLEY</span></font></st1:PersonName><span
lang=FI><o:p></o:p></span>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Principal<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=3 face=SimSun><span lang=FI style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=3 face=SimSun><span lang=FI style='font-size:12.0pt'>22 North Carroll Street - suite 370<o:p></o:p></span></font>
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size=3 face=SimSun><span lang=FI style='font-size:12.0pt'>Madison, WI</span></font><font
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