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    Joke,<br>
     This came up yesterday as well (how to make a coupling air flow
    across a virtual surface) and I unfortunately don't know the answer.
    I am looking into it and will let you know what I learn.<br>
    Best,<br>
     David<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 10/18/2011 11:23, Joke De Beuckelaer wrote:
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        <p>David,</p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>Thanks for the answer. But the problem is that it isn't a
          100% false ceiling but about 70%.</p>
        <p>So what do I do with the "air - air contact" between the two
          zones.</p>
        <p>Does Trnsys takes this into account when I model it with a
          virtual surface in google sketchup or do the airnodes then
          have to belong to the same thermal zone?</p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>Greetings,</p>
        <p>Joke</p>
        <p> </p>
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              color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>Van:</b> David BRADLEY
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>]<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 17 oktober 2011 18:38<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Joke De Beuckelaer<br>
              <b>CC:</b> TRNSYS-users<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Simulation of false
              ceiling: influence on inertia<br>
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          <div>Joke,<br>
             I like to simulate this situation as two thermal zones; the
            conditioned zone below and the plenum zone above. Because
            the suspended ceiling basically has no mass to it, I
            simulate it as a wall made up of a single purely resistive
            (ie massless) layer.<br>
            best,<br>
             David<br>
            <br>
            <br>
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                    font-size:9pt">Dear all,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">Can anyone help me
                    what’s the best way to simulate a suspended false
                    ceiling?</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US"></span> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">The goal is to simulate
                    a class room where the comfort is assured by using
                    night ventilation. However for acoustic reasons we
                    need a false ceiling.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">I want to know the
                    percentage of suspended false ceiling is possible in
                    order to have still enough inertia from the concrete
                    ceiling.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US"></span> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">Is the best way just to
                    define two different types of ceiling (1. A concrete
                    ceiling and 2.a false ceiling (concrete + air layer
                    + false ceiling)) or has anyone another idea?</span></p>
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                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">Is it possible to draw
                    for example some obstructions in Google sketch up
                    and then to define 3 air nodes in trnsys. One air
                    node above the suspended false ceiling; one air node
                    in the middle of the room and one air node
                    representing the opening window?</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';
                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">Will it take into
                    account the less availability of the inertia of the
                    concrete ceiling?</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                    font-size:9pt" lang="EN-US">Hoping for an answer,</span></p>
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