Dear Mehdi,<br /><br />Type680 was obsolete with version TRNSYS16.1 as it was donated to the TRNSYS Standard Library which is now Type107. You can indeed still run a simulation with Type680 in it as there is a DLL provided with the obsolete TESS Components, but you should really update that simulation to Type107.<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />Matt Duffy<br /> <br /> <br /> <!--replyfwdwrap--><div style="background-image: url("http://webmail.fusemail.com/de/r_bg_img.gif"); background-position: center top; background-repeat: repeat-x;"><strong>----- Original Message -----</strong><br /><strong>From:</strong> "Mehdi Shahrestani" <mahdishahrestani@gmail.com> <br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Thu, September 15, 2011 9:18<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TRNSYS-users] type680 COP_rated<br /><br /><table cellspacing="5" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><div class="PrivateMsgDiv"><!-- begin sanitized html --> <style type="text/css">
</style> <div class="bodyclass"><div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">Dear Emilia</span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;"> </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">First of all, I could not find type 680 in TESS. </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">Any way all the models of absorption chillers have some similar approaches. It means that the cop exactly is the provided cooling divided by used heat. </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri!
; color: blue;">Please be aware that in the Qaux is not taken into account in the cop equation (as it should not be considered based on the open literature). </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;"> </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">I checked this through the Fortran code of Types 676 to 679 and 107. You can do the same. Also you can find it in TESS documentation related to each type. </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">But the question is still unsolved that TESS ver 17 does not have type 680!</span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: b!
lue;"> </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" fa
ce="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">Hope it helps </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;">Mehdi</span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri" color="blue"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; color: blue;"> </span></font></p> <div><div align="center" style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr size="2" align="center" width="100%" tabindex="-1" /> </span></font></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu [mailto:trnsys-users-bounce!
s@cae.wisc.edu] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Emilia Visek<br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 14 September 2011 20:19<br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ratnalee Patil<br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu<br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] type680 COP_rated</span></font></p></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Ratnalee,</span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thank you for the explanation. I believed so, but it was not clear from TRNSYS documentation.</span></font></p></div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-s!
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<font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The type680 si located in HVAC TESS library under single-effect absorption chiller hot-water fired.</span></font></p></div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p></div> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Best regards,</span></font></p></div> <div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Emilia Visek</span></font></p> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Ratnalee Patil <<a target="_new" href="mailto:Ratnalee@innovativedesign.net">Ratnalee@innovativedesign.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></p> <div vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" c!
olor="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Emilia,</span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For the absorption chiller models I believe the rated COP to be supplied as a parameter is thermal COP (Q<sub>cooling output</sub>/Q<sub>heat input to generator</sub>). In the COP output from the chiller model however, the electricity consumed by the chiller for the operation (for pumps etc.) is taken into consideration based on the auxiliary electric power (Q<sub>aux</sub>) supplied as one of the parameters. Thus the output COP = Q<sub>cooling output</sub>/(Q<sub>heat input to generator + </sub>Q<sub>aux</sub>). </span></font></p> <p sty!
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1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">By the way, where is this Type 680 located? I am aware of Types 676 to 679, Type 681, and Type 107 for absorption chillers.</span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks.</span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman" color="#1f497d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="T!
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oNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt;"> Emilia Visek [mailto:<a target="_new" href="mailto:emilia.visek@mail.polimi.it">emilia.visek@mail.polimi.it</a>] <br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:14 PM<br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a target="_new" href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br /> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [TRNSYS-users] type680 COP_rated</span></font></p></div> <div><div><p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p> <p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear all,</span></font></p> <div><p style="" class="MsoNor!
mal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;">The COPrated from type680, is thermal or electrical COP?</span></font></p></div> <div><p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;">Thank you,</span></font></p></div> <div><p style="" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;">EV</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p></div></div></div> <!-- end sanitized html --> <hr size="1" noshade="noshade" /><pre>
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