Dear all,<br><br> I have a question about Global Radiation:<br><br> What's influence on the zone when I added the Global Radiation data of our institute weather station compared with no adding it?<br><br>When I link the time of last and next read outputs of Type 9 to inputs of Type 16. It works. But it appears new problems:<br>
When I added the Total Radiation into TRNSYS simulation, the
indoor temperature and QHEAT of Livingroom (and there are 4 windows in the livingroom) still keeps the same value as the former simulation program
which were not added with Total Radiation data. They both results are
completely the same. I assumed this Total Radiation data don't work,however, I only defined the ceiling and floor as Boundary Wall of the Zone. Or do you think
other possible reasons for that. <br>
<br><br>Whether
when I defined the ceiling and floor as Boundary Wall, the Radiation will not work? The
Temperature of Sky and Ground etc. also don't work
when I defined the ceiling and floor as Boundary Wall? Or do you
think other possible reasons for that. PLEASE see the ATTACHED.<br><br>Another question is as follows:<br><br>Is the Type 22: Iterative feedback controller Continuos controller or Digital(Discrete) controller? And the Type 23: PID controller? Mode 1 is Continuos controller? Mode 2 is Digital(Discrete) controller?<br>
<br>Many thanks!<br><br>Br.<br><br>wang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/17 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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1. Re: New error Internal error in solar radiation distribution<br>
(hotline)<br>
2. question about user weather data file (Serban Cristina)<br>
3. Re: New error Internal error in solar radiation distribution<br>
(Mehdi Shahrestani)<br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:25:56 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] New error Internal error in solar radiation distribution<br><u></u>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Mehdi,</font></span>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">one reason for this can be that in your 3D Modell you have
infinitesimal small surfaces.</font></span>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Please check if this is the case and if so you'll have to redraw the
geometry.</font></span>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> Mehdi Shahrestani
[mailto:<a href="mailto:mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 16. Juni
2011 21:21<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b>
[TRNSYS-users] New error Internal error in solar radiation
distribution<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">Dear
All<u></u><u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">I am facing a new error for type 56.
I was wondering if anybody could help to tackling the issue for version 17.
<u></u><u></u></span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">Message: Internal error in solar
radiation distribution (sumsitot) of 61.156 % at
time 224.20wave length band no.2 1:total solar, 2:visual solar,
3:non visual solar<u></u><u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">Many thanks
<u></u><u></u></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">Mehdi
Shahrestani<u></u><u></u></span></font>
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<p></p></div><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: Serban Cristina <<a href="mailto:cristina.serban@unitbv.ro">cristina.serban@unitbv.ro</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:07:16 +0300<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] question about user weather data file<br>dear trnsys users,<br>
<br>
I am trying to simulate the energy consumption of a building in my city.<br>
Unfortunately trnsys does not have a weather file for my city, and I do not want to use meteonorm tmy2 generated file.<br>
I want to create my own weather file with the data recorded at our weather station.<br>
<br>
Could someone please tell me the easiest way to simulate my building with my data file?<br>
<br>
And how do I create the data file in such way that trnsys will recognize it? (which software?)<br>
<br>
I read about type9 and type16 but I am not sure that is the best way.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
Serban Cristina<br>
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<br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "Mehdi Shahrestani" <<a href="mailto:mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com">mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: "'hotline'" <<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com">hotline@transsolar.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:12:52 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] New error Internal error in solar radiation distribution<br>
<u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Dear Christian <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Many thanks for your reply. Based on your advice
I have redraw the 3D and import it into the model but still I have got the same
error. In model I do not have any small surface at all I double checked it.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">All things that I separately did:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0cm;" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color: blue;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Redraw
the 3D and implementation and importing to the model (model specification:
Geometry 3D, all radiation modes: standard) this effort came to the same
error.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color: blue;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">In
the next try, I reduced the geometry mode to manual but again it came into
the same error.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color: blue;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">In
comfort windows I changed the mean radiant temperature from detailed mode
to simple mode but again it came into the same error.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">These were all came in to my mind based on
your advice but I was not successful. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">I was wondering if you could do me a
favour and give me some more advices.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">As attached the *.tpf, *.b17 and *.idf
files are attached. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Regards <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Mehdi Shahrestani<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="EN-US">
hotline [mailto:<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 17 June 2011 08:26<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mahdishahrestani; trnsys-users<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> AW: [TRNSYS-users] New
error Internal error in solar radiation distribution</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi Mehdi,</span></font> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">one reason for this can be that in your 3D Modell you have
infinitesimal small surfaces.</span></font> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Please check if this is the case and if so you'll have to
redraw the geometry.</span></font> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Regards</span></font> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Christian</span></font><u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="DE"> </span></font><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;" lang="DE">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;" lang="DE"> Mehdi Shahrestani
[mailto:<a href="mailto:mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mahdishahrestani@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Donnerstag, 16. Juni
2011 21:21<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">An:</span></b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b> [TRNSYS-users] New error
Internal error in solar radiation distribution</span></font><span lang="DE"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Dear All</span></font> <font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">I am facing a new error for type 56. I was wondering if
anybody could help to tackling the issue for version 17. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Message: Internal error in solar radiation distribution
(sumsitot) of 61.156 % at time 224.20wave length
band no.2 1:total solar, 2:visual solar, 3:non visual solar</span></font> <font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Many thanks <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Mehdi Shahrestani</span></font> <font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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