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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=155561507-17062011><FONT size=2
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=155561507-17062011><FONT size=2
face=Arial>adjacent windows between airnodes inside of one radiative zone
are not possible. Normally in such cases there are fully
transparent openings </FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=155561507-17062011><FONT size=2
face=Arial>for that you won't need a window definition because even without this
window all walls are in radiation exchange. </FONT></SPAN>
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class=155561507-17062011><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Would be interesting
how you got this defined in order to avoid this in the
next TRNBUILD version. </FONT></SPAN>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>Von:</B> Antoine Gautier
[mailto:antoine.gautier@solamen.fr] <BR>
<B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 16. Juni
2011 19:07<BR>
<B>An:</B> trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu<BR>
<B>Betreff:</B>
[TRNSYS-users] TR: longwave radiation mode with 2 airnodes<BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Antoine Gautier
[mailto:antoine.gautier@solamen.fr] <BR>
<B>Envoyé :</B> jeudi 16 juin 2011
18:39<BR>
<B>À :</B> 'trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu'<BR>
<B>Objet :</B> TR:
longwave radiation mode with 2 airnodes<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On the same
topic...<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>I am
trying to model a fully glazed wall with fully transparent window between the 2
airnodes to account for radiative transfers. <o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>When I
save the building file I get the message: “.inf etc. generated
successfully”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>However
when I launch the simulation I get the message in attachment which appears in
TRNEXE window.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>If you
check the .inf file you will notice that adjacency is well defined for surfaces
9, 11, 12 and 13 despite the previous message error.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Eventually
the simulation goes on but the results tend to convince me that radiative
transfers are not correctly calculated between the 2
airnodes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Do you
have any idea to solve this problem?<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Thanks a
lot.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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lang=EN-US>Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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Gautier<BR>
Solam</SPAN><SPAN
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98 78 56 46<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Antoine Gautier
[mailto:antoine.gautier@solamen.fr] <BR>
<B>Envoyé :</B> jeudi 16 juin 2011
14:27<BR>
<B>À :</B> 'trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu'<BR>
<B>Objet :</B>
longwave radiation mode with 2 airnodes<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
all<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>I
understand from the user manual §5 that longwave radiation exchange is not taken
into account between 2 airnodes of the same zone under standard (starnet) or
“one node” radiation mode.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Could you
please confirm my understanding?<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Then what
is the best strategy to transfer internal gains and radiative heating flux (e.g.
from active layer) to the other airnode of the same zone when not using 3D
data?<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Thanks a
lot for your help.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Best
regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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Gautier<BR>
Solam</SPAN><SPAN
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98 78 56 46<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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