<br />Philip,<br /><br />I have a couple suggestions. Please make sure that you are using a small timestep (i.e. 0.125 hr or less) because controllers make the decisions in TRNSYS once per timestep and will help prevent the temperature spikes. Also, you can simply do a parametric analysis (see that chapter in the TRNEdit manual and example) to determine a good flowrate for your pump.<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />Matt Duffy<br /><br /><!--replyfwdwrap--><div style="background-image: url(http://webmail.fusemail.com/de/r_bg_img.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: 50% top"><strong>----- Original Message -----</strong><br /><strong>From:</strong> "Philip Horn" <phorn@fraunhofer.org> <br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Tue, May 31, 2011 11:05<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TRNSYS-users] SDHW template Tin and Useful energy gain-strange behaviour<br /><br /><table cellspacing="5" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><div class="PrivateMsgDiv"><pre>
I now solved the input temp "misbehavior", it was just a wrong connection...
However, the issue of a rising Quse while increasing the flowrate (in a extreme
manner, i.e. that Tout is almost Tin) still confuses me.
How can I determine the optimum flowrate for a maximum of Quse (I try to figure out
an optimization for a polymer unglazed flat plate collector, so I am trying to
understand the behaviours and parameter sensitivity of the different collector
types.)?
Is the solution for that may be linking the pumpcontrol to a designated Tout?
I guess that's the standard way to do it and the standard SDHW uses this control as
well.
I tried that and when I used this pumpcontrol strategy I gained:
Quse=2.6 *10'6 with Toutmax in summer around 130 deg C for a flowrate of 200 Kg/h
Quse=3.7 *10'6 with Toutmax in summer around 55 deg C for a flowrate of 20 Kg/h
Quse=2.1 *10'5 with Toutmax in summer around 200 deg C for a flowrate of 2 Kg/h
(those high temperatures probably occur only for a short timestep whenever the pump
starts running...)
Here again the question, how can I maximize the Quse of my system?
The dependency of Quse and flowrate seems not to be linear and the resulting Touts
are strange as well.
I used the standard efficiency coefficients eta0=0.8 and efflope=13
I try to figure out an optimization for a polymer unglazed flat plate collector, so
I am trying to understand the behaviours and parameter sensitivity of the different
collector types.
Any thoughts on that?
Best,
Philip
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Horn
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 4:15 PM
To: '<a href="javascript:bodyCreateMail('trnsys-users%40cae.wisc.edu')">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>'
Subject: SDHW template Tin and Useful energy gain- strange behaviour
Hi All,
I played around a little bit with different efficiency equations for the collector,
and wanted to compare the results.
Therefore I used the SDHW template (with TYPE1 as collector), which uses the outlet
of the Tank as inlet temp to the collector.
I erased this connection and set the inlet temp to a fixed 10 deg but in fact is it
still varying when I plot it (from 10-13deg).
How come?
Another thing that I experienced: when I used the system in the normal mode (Tout
tank connected to Tin collector), the useful energy gain of the collector is higher
than with a fixed (and in average 10 deg K lower) input temperature.
Shouldn't it be the opposite?
As Q=m*cp*(Tout-Tin) , the smaller Tin, the higher Quse (assuming that Tout is not
that heavily affected)?
Clarification highly appreciated!!
Best,
Philip
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