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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All clear!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the best<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>stefano</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Matt Duffy [mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> mercoledì 25 maggio 2011 23.12<br><b>To:</b> Avesani Stefano ; trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TRNSYS-users] reporting possible TRNSYS3d bug<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Dear Stefano,<br><br>Please see my comments below in <span style='color:#339966'>green</span>.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><strong>----- Original Message -----</strong><br><strong>From:</strong> "Avesani Stefano" <stefano.avesani@eurac.edu> <br><strong>Sent:</strong> Tue, May 24, 2011 10:07<br><strong>Subject:</strong> RE: [TRNSYS-users] reporting possible TRNSYS3d bug<o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=5 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Matt,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you say so concerning *.skp and *.idf, I guess I did a mess with the *.idf !</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please find it attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#339966'>I noticed a couple of issues with the two 'underroof' zones on top of the building. First, make sure the surfaces are pointing out (the brighter/bolder surface pointing out); you implemenent this by right-clicking on the surface and going to 'Reverse Face'. Also, the adjacent wall and adjacent window shared by those two zones are not yet 'Adjacent' in TRNSYS3D, so please make sure that is changed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Three questions now: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How can I understand whether the *.idf is well done (just importing it in TRNSYS or also opening it as text?)?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#339966'>Import the *.idf into TRNBuild first to see if there are any problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just to start correctly next time: it doesn’t make any sense, creating the building as *.skp and then drawing the TRNSYS zones (generating the *.idf) as “geometric carbon copy” of the *.skp geometry, right? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#339966'>I would not bother with the *.skp geometry. I only work in the TRNSYS3D *.idf to avoid any problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>in zoning process, facing convex zones is really frequent (for example following the shape of flats within a multifamily house). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In order to create a detailed model following the apartments shapes (well zoned building, high number of zones, high simulation times), the only solution to represent correctly the “convex” apartment is to create 2 no convex zones separated with a full glazed, no resistance wall, setting then an high flow rate between the two zones?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#339966'>Do you need to go into that much detail with your building to implement the detailed radiation mode? I believe now or in the next version that TRNBuild now allows some convex zones for the detailed radiation modes. Otherwise, your methodology sounds good as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks a lot,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With best regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=IT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stefano </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Matt Duffy [mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> martedì 10 maggio 2011 22.21<br><b>To:</b> Avesani Stefano ; trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] reporting possible TRNSYS3d bug</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Hello Stefano,<br><br>I have never seen this particular error. To the best of your knowledge, were there any significant errors in your *.idf? You hopefully did not combine a *.skp file with your *.idf?<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><strong>----- Original Message -----</strong><br><strong>From:</strong> "Avesani Stefano" <stefano.avesani@eurac.edu> <br><strong>Sent:</strong> Mon, May 9, 2011 8:10<br><strong>Subject:</strong> [TRNSYS-users] reporting possible TRNSYS3d bug<o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=5 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am facing this problem with the TRNSYS3d plug in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Is this the right place to communicate this, isn’t? Please find in the following the error description.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Stefano<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>ERROR:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>NoMethodError<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>undefined method `upcase' for nil:NilClass<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BACKTRACE:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:371:in `glazing_area'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/Bag.rb:87:in `each'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/Bag.rb:87:in `each'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:370:in `glazing_area'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/Zone.rb:494:in `exterior_glazing_area'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/Bag.rb:87:in `each'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/Bag.rb:87:in `each'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/Zone.rb:492:in `exterior_glazing_area'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/Zone.rb:503:in `percent_glazing'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/dialogs/ZoneInfoInterface.rb:50:in `populate_hash'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/dialogs/DialogInterface.rb:19:in `initialize'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/dialogs/ObjectInfoInterface.rb:40:in `new'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/dialogs/ObjectInfoInterface.rb:40:in `populate_hash'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/dialogs/DialogInterface.rb:36:in `update'<o:p></o:p></p><p 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