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<div> I want to look for some trnsys-users in Munich and study or discuss with each other. Please let me know if you are or know!</div>
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To: "Gantner" <<a href="mailto:Gantner@transsolar.com">Gantner@transsolar.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:13:42 -0500 (CDT)<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TrnOpt<br>Johannes -<br><br>This error can be caused by a mismatch between your TrnOpt version and<br>your TESS lib's version. Please check with your distributor that you have<br>the most recent version of TrnOpt 16 or 17.<br>
<br>Regards,<br><br>Tim<br><br><br><br><br><br>----------------------------------<br>Timothy McDowell<br>Executive Vice President<br>Thermal Energy System Specialists, LLC<br>22 N. Carroll St, Suite 370<br>Madison, WI 53703<br>
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<br><br><br><br>Dear TRNsys Users,<br><br><br><br><br><br>Probably this question was already asked before, but I couldn´t find it.<br>So I hope<br><br>Someone could help me out with my problem.<br><br><br><br>I wanted to use TRNOpt (TrnOpt 16_1) for the optimization of my trnsys<br>
model (Trnsys 17).<br><br><br><br>When I start the optimization, TRNsys works, my simulation is running, but<br>when GenOpt<br><br>starts I receive an error message on the GenOpt window:<br><br><br><br><br><br>Initialize.<br>
<br>genopt.lang.OptimizerException:<br><br>Error in searching for the objective function value:<br><br> The objective function value could not be found.<br><br> - Check the optimization ini file for<br><br> the prober value of SimOutputFile.<br>
<br> - Check the SimOutputFile for the prober<br><br> structure.<br><br> - Check the optimization configuration file for<br><br> the prober value of the objective function delimiter.<br><br> Objective function delimiter is 'Variable Value 001 ='.<br>
<br><br><br>GenOpt terminated with error.<br><br>See logfile for further information.<br><br><br><br><br><br>This error occurred also when I tried the TrnOpt Example.<br><br>Can anyone help me with this problem<br><br><br>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Thanks for your answer, but unfortunately, it doesn't work for me.<br><br>I get this error in the list file<br><strong> Generated by Type : 49<br>
Message : An error was found in the supplied values. Please check the data carefully.</strong><br><br>I made a very simple test with a unique square zone and its soil, and it's the same.<br><br>The <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Soil Noding File.dat</span></span> file contains :
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><strong>0 0 2 2 <br><br><br>0.0 0.0</strong></div>is this correct ?<br><br>For information :<br><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Zone Areas.txt contains "</span></span>Zone 1: 22.11m2"<br>
<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">delta.txt</span></span> contains
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><strong>deltaX 1 is: 5.06<br><br>deltaY 1 is: 4.37</strong></div><br>Damien<br><br><br><br>
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<p style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">You use the ***_Soil Noding File.dat file. The other two contain the zone areas and the X and Y distances used by the models. These other two files can be used to check for problems.<br>
<br>Jeff<br><br> </p>
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<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hi,<br><br>In the Slab on grade model manual, I can see that the output file created in SketchUp by the Soil Noding plugin is like "_report.txt".<br>
My plugin created only these three files :<br><br>***_Soil Noding File.dat<br>***_Zone Areas.txt<br>***_delta.txt<br><br>So I wonder which one to use in Type 49 ?<br><br>I guess the difference in my case is that SketchUp wasn't installed when I installed TRNSYS 17, so I had to copy the "TRNSYS17/Tools/SoilNoding/TRNSYS_SlabNodingProgram_v2.rb" in "SketchUp/plugins".<br>
(I also noticed that the SketchUp plugin menu (on top of the screen), the plugin appears as "TESS Soil Noding Program" instead of "SoilNoding_2D" like in the manual's screenshot.)<br><br>Thanks for your help<br>
(and excuse me for the huge number of questions...)<br><br>Damien</span></span>
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To: <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>, <a href="mailto:thornton@tess-inc.com">thornton@tess-inc.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:12:55 -0500 (CDT)<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file<br>
<br>Dear Damien,<br><br>I apologize I did not catch this earlier, but you are using the out-dated version of the noding plugin. Please contact your local TRNSYS distributor to obtain the *_v3.rb which was released in TRNSYS version 17.00.0018 (the current version is 17.00.0019) if you do not have it already.<br>
<br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<br><br>
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<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Thank! s for your answer, but unfortunately, it doesn't work for me.<br><br>I get this error in the list file<br><strong> Generated by Type : 49<br>
Message : An error was found in the supplied values. Please check the data carefully.</strong><br><br>I made a very simple test with a unique square zone and its soil, and it's the same.<br><br>The <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Soil Noding File.dat</span></span> file contains :
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><strong>0 0 2 2 <br><br><br>0.0 0.0</strong></div>is this correct ?<br><br>For information :<br><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Zone Areas.txt contains "</span></span>Zone 1: 22.11m2"<br>
<span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">delta.txt</span></span> contains
<div style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><strong>deltaX 1 is: 5.06<br><br>deltaY 1 is: 4.37</strong></div><br>Damien<br><br><br><br>
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<br>Jeff<br><br> </p>
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<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hi,<br><br>In the Slab on grade model manual, I can see that the output file created in SketchUp by the Soil Noding plugin is like "_report.txt".<br>
My plugin created only these three files :<br><br>***_Soil Noding File.dat<br>***_Zone Areas.txt<br>***_delta.txt<br><br>So I wonder which one to use in Type 49 ?<br><br>I guess the difference in my case is that SketchUp wasn't installed when I installed TRNSYS 17, so I had to copy the "TRNSYS17/Tools/SoilNoding/TRNSYS_SlabNodingProgram_v2.rb" in "SketchUp/plugins".<br>
(I also noticed that the SketchUp plugin menu (on top of the screen), the plugin appears as "TESS Soil Noding Program" instead of "SoilNoding_2D" like in the manual's screenshot.)<br><br>! Thanks for your help<br>
(and excuse me for the huge number of questions...)<br><br>Damien</span></span>
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Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:54:45 -0500 (CDT)<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Questions about PID 23<br><br>Hello Erwan,<br><br>I apologize, but I do not have much experience with the component. However, there are two examples that demonstrate the use of the component in the following directory, ".\Examples\Feedback Control".<br>
<br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello everybody,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I'm a new trnsys user…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Currently, I simulates an heating coil (type 670) with fan (type 662) regulated by a PID type 23. I fixed an input temperature outside, incoming air flow, HR, pressure and inlet fluid temperature of heating coil.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">My goal is to analyze the functioning of the PID 23. It regulates the heating coil fluid flow rate by comparing the output temperature of the fan to a set temperature </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(gain Kp = 10 ^-4 and Ti = 10 ^-4; Td = 0).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By several simulations, I noticed that:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_The time step simulation is significant in the convergence of the regulator (Doesn't it perform iterations between each time step?). A large time step does not allow the system converge.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_Acting on the gain of the PID, convergence can be possible! Do you know why there is a dependency of these two parameters?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_PID values, gain and Ti (integration time) are not to my knowledge in the orders of magnitude of value of real PID of this system... why this difference in value?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you have some information and/or model working fine about the PID 23...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks!!!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: rgb(0,112,192); FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="EN-US">LIBIOT</span><span style="COLOR: rgb(0,112,192)" lang="EN-US"> Erwan</span></p>
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