I would like to remind all TRNSYS users that sending another user a working copy of TRNSYS is a violation of the license agreement. Violators of this agreement will be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed by law. If you are in need of TRNSYS, you may purchase a version from the TRNSYS.com website. Parabolic trough models for TRNSYS can be purchased from TESS - with versions available for TRNSYS 16.<br /><br />Jeff<br /><br />Jeff Thornton <br /> President - TESS, LLC <br /> <br /> 22 North Carroll Street - Suite 370<br /> Madison WI 53703 USA <br /> <br /> Phone: 608-274-2577 <br /> Fax: 608-278-1475 <br /> E-mail: thornton@tess-inc.com <br /> Web: www.tess-inc.com<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <!--replyfwdwrap--><div style="background-image: url(http://webmail.fusemail.com/de/r_bg_img.gif);background-position:top;background-repeat:repeat-x;"><strong>----- Original Message -----</strong><br /><strong>From:</strong> "WALID KADRI" <walidenergeti!
que@gmail.com> <br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Thu, May 12, 2011 15:59<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 39<br /><br /><table width="100%" cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><div class="PrivateMsgDiv"><!-- begin sanitized html --> <div dir="ltr">Please i need transys 16 or 17 staudio, because i have Transys 16 staudio but not complete because i need cylindroparabolic collector, and the limit time of my memoiry is next the end, so any user can send to me Transys 16 or 17 staudio the Complete version.<br /> <br /><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/11 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu" target="_new">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Send TRNSYS-users mailing list submissions to<br /> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.e!
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ding plugin output file (Matt Duffy)<br /> 4. Re: Questions about PID 23 (Matt Duffy)<br /> <br /><br />---------- Message transféré ----------<br />From: "Timothy McDowell" <<a href="mailto:mcdowell@tess-inc.com" target="_new">mcdowell@tess-inc.com</a>><br />To: "Gantner" <<a href="mailto:Gantner@transsolar.com" target="_new">Gantner@transsolar.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_new">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br /> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:13:42 -0500 (CDT)<br />Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TrnOpt<br />Johannes -<br /> <br /> This error can be caused by a mismatch between your TrnOpt version and<br /> your TESS lib's version. Please check with your distributor that you have<br /> the most recent version of TrnOpt 16 or 17.<br /> <br /> Regards,<br /> <br /> Tim<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ----------------------------------<br /> Timothy McDowell<br />!
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<br /> 22 N. Carroll St, Suite 370<br /> Madison, WI 53703<br /> Phone: 608-274-2577<br /> Fax: 608-278-1475<br /> <br /> ----- Original Message -----<br /> From: "Gantner" <<a href="mailto:gantner@transsolar.com" target="_new">gantner@transsolar.com</a>><br /> Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:51<br /> Subject:[TRNSYS-users] TrnOpt<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Dear TRNsys Users,<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Probably this question was already asked before, but I couldn´t find it.<br /> So I hope<br /> <br /> Someone could help me out with my problem.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I wanted to use TRNOpt (TrnOpt 16_1) for the optimization of my trnsys<br /> model (Trnsys 17).<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> When I start the optimization, TRNsys works, my simulation is running, but<br /> when GenOpt<br /> <br /> starts I receive an error message on the GenOpt window:<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Initialize.<br /> <br /> genopt.lang.OptimizerEx!
ception:<br /> <br /> Error in searching for the objective function value:<br /> <br /> The objective function value could not be found.<br /> <br /> - Check the optimization ini file for<br /> <br /> the prober value of SimOutputFile.<br /> <br /> - Check the SimOutputFile for the prober<br /> <br /> structure.<br /> <br /> - Check the optimization configuration file for<br /> <br /> the prober value of the objective function delimiter.<br /> <br /> Objective function delimiter is 'Variable Value 001 ='.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> GenOpt terminated with error.<br /> <br /> See logfile for further information.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> This error occurred also when I tried the TrnOpt Example.<br /> <br /> Can anyone help me with this problem<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Thanks a lot<br /> <br /> Best<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Johannes<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <b!
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bsp; 49<br /> Message : An error was found in the supplied values. Please check the data carefully.</b><br /> <br /> I made a very simple test with a unique square zone and its soil, and it's the same.<br /> <br /> The <span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Soil Noding File.dat</span></span> file contains : <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><b>0 0 2 2 <br /> <br /> <br /> 0.0 0.0</b></div> is this correct ?<br /> <br /> For information :<br /> <span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Zone Areas.txt contains "</span></span>Zone 1: 22.11m2"<br /> <span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">delta.txt</span></span> contains <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><b>deltaX 1 is: 5.06<br /> <br /> deltaY 1 is: 4.37</b></div> <br /> Damien<br /> <br /> <!
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kquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 5px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px;" type="cite"> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">----- Message d'origine -----</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">De : Jeff Thornton</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Envoyés : 10.05.11 19:16</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">À : <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_new">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>, <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_new">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Objet : Re: [!
TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file</span></span></p> <br /> <div><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">You use the ***_Soil Noding File.dat file. The other two contain the zone areas and the X and Y distances used by the models. These other two files can be used to check for problems.<br /> <br /> Jeff<br /> <br /> </p> <div style="background-repeat: repeat-x;"><b>----- Original Message -----</b><br /> <b>From:</b> "" <<a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_new">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>><br /> <b>Sent:</b> Tue, May 10, 2011 4:42<br /> <b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file<br /> <br /> <table width="100%" cellspacing="5"> <tbody> <tr> <td><div><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hi,<br /> <br /> In the Slab on grade model manual, I can see that the output file created in SketchUp by the Soil Nodi!
ng plugin is like "_report.txt".<br /> My plugin cr
eated only these three files :<br /> <br /> ***_Soil Noding File.dat<br /> ***_Zone Areas.txt<br /> ***_delta.txt<br /> <br /> So I wonder which one to use in Type 49 ?<br /> <br /> I guess the difference in my case is that SketchUp wasn't installed when I installed TRNSYS 17, so I had to copy the "TRNSYS17/Tools/SoilNoding/TRNSYS_SlabNodingProgram_v2.rb" in "SketchUp/plugins".<br /> (I also noticed that the SketchUp plugin menu (on top of the screen), the plugin appears as "TESS Soil Noding Program" instead of "SoilNoding_2D" like in the manual's screenshot.)<br /> <br /> Thanks for your help<br /> (and excuse me for the huge number of questions...)<br /> <br /> Damien</span></span> <hr size="1" noshade="yes" /> <pre>
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</pre></div></td> </tr> </tbody> </table></div></div> </blockquote> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </p> </span></span> <br /><br />---------- Message transféré ----------<br />From: "Matt Duffy" <<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com" target="_new">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>><br />To: <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_new">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>, <a href="mailto:thornton@tess-inc.com" target="_new">thornton@tess-inc.com</a><br /> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:12:55 -0500 (CDT)<br />Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file<br /><br /> Dear Damien,<br /><br />I apologize I did not catch this earlier, but you are using the out-dated version of the noding plugin. Please contact your local TRNSYS distributor to obtain the *_v3.rb which was released in TRNSYS version 17.00.0018 (the current version is 17.00.0019) if you do not have it already.<br /> <br />Best regards,<br /><br />Mat!
t Duffy<br /> <br /> <div style="background-repeat: repeat-x;"><b>----- Original Message -----</b><br /><b>From:</b> "" <<a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_new">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>> <br /> <b>Sent:</b> Wed, May 11, 2011 8:29<br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file<br /><br /><table width="100%" cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><div><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Thank! s for your answer, but unfortunately, it doesn't work for me.<br /> <br /> I get this error in the list file<br /> <b> Generated by Type : 49<br /> Message : An error was found in the supplied values. Please check the data carefully.</b><br /> <br /> I made a very simple test with a unique square zone and its soil, and it's the same.<br /> <br /> !
The <span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;"
>Soil Noding File.dat</span></span> file contains : <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><b>0 0 2 2 <br /> <br /> <br /> 0.0 0.0</b></div> is this correct ?<br /> <br /> For information :<br /> <span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Zone Areas.txt contains "</span></span>Zone 1: 22.11m2"<br /> <span><span style="font-size: 12px;">delta.txt</span></span> contains <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><b>deltaX 1 is: 5.06<br /> <br /> deltaY 1 is: 4.37</b></div> <br /> Damien<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"> </p> <blockquote type="cite" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 5px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 5px;"> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">----- Message d'origine -----</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style!
="font-size: 12px;">De : Jeff Thornton</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Envoyés : 10.05.11 19:16</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">À : <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_new">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>, <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_new">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a></span></span></p> <p style="padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Objet : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file</span></span></p> <br /> <div><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">You use the ***_Soil Noding File.dat file. The other two contain the zone areas and the X and Y distances used by the models. These other two files can be used to check for problems.<br /> <br /> Jeff<br /> <br /> </p!
> <div style="background-repeat: repeat-x;"><b>----- Original Mess
age -----</b><br /> <b>From:</b> "" <<a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_new">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>><br /> <b>Sent:</b> Tue, May 10, 2011 4:42<br /> <b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Soil Noding plugin output file<br /> <br /> <table width="100%" cellspacing="5"> <tbody> <tr> <td><div><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hi,<br /> <br /> In the Slab on grade model manual, I can see that the output file created in SketchUp by the Soil Noding plugin is like "_report.txt".<br /> My plugin created only these three files :<br /> <br /> ***_Soil Noding File.dat<br /> ***_Zone Areas.txt<br /> ***_delta.txt<br /> <br /> So I wonder which one to use in Type 49 ?<br /> <br /> I guess the difference in my case is that SketchUp wasn't installed when I installed TRNSYS 17, so I had to cop!
y the "TRNSYS17/Tools/SoilNoding/TRNSYS_SlabNodingProgram_v2.rb" in "SketchUp/plugins".<br /> (I also noticed that the SketchUp plugin menu (on top of the screen), the plugin appears as "TESS Soil Noding Program" instead of "SoilNoding_2D" like in the manual's screenshot.)<br /> <br /> ! Thanks for your help<br /> (and excuse me for the huge number of questions...)<br /> <br /> Damien</span></span> <hr size="1" noshade="yes" /> <pre>
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</pre></div></td></tr> </tbody></table></div><br /><br />---------- Message transféré ----------<br />From: "Matt Duffy" <<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com" target="_new">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>><br />To: "LIBIOT, Erwan" <<a href="mailto:E.LIBIOT@bouygues-construction.com" target="_new">E.LIBIOT@bouygues-construction.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_new">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br /> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:54:45 -0500 (CDT)<br />Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Questions about PID 23<br /><br /> Hello Erwan,<br /><br />I apologize, but I do not have much experience with the component. However, there are two examples that demonstrate the use of the component in the following directory, ".\Examples\Feedback Control".<br /> <br />Best regards,<br /><br />Matt Duffy<br /> <br /> <div style="background-repeat: repeat-x;"><b>----- Original Message -----</b><br /><b>From:</b!
> "LIBIOT, Erwan" <<a href="mailto:e.libiot@bouygues-construction.com" target="_new">e.libiot@bouygues-construction.com</a>> <br /> <b>Sent:</b> Mon, May 9, 2011 3:49<br /><b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Questions about PID 23<br /><br /><table width="100%" cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello everybody,</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I'm a new trnsys user.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Currently, I simulates an heating coil (type 670) with fan (type 662) regulated by a PID type 23. I fixed an input temperature outside, incoming air flow, HR, pressure and inlet fluid temperature of heating coil.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">My goal is to analyze the functioning of the PID 23. It regulates the heating coil fluid flow rate by comparin!
g the output temperature of the fan to a set temperature </span></p> <
p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">(gain Kp = 10 ^-4 and Ti = 10 ^-4; Td = 0).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">By several simulations, I noticed that:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_The time step simulation is significant in the convergence of the regulator (Doesn't it perform iterations between each time step?). A large time step does not allow the system converge.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_Acting on the gain of the PID, convergence can be possible! Do you know why there is a dependency of these two parameters?</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">_PID valu!
es, gain and Ti (integration time) are not to my knowledge in the orders of magnitude of value of real PID of this system... why this difference in value?</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you have some information and/or model working fine about the PID 23...</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks!!!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">LIBIOT</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);"> Erwan</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">Bouygues Batiment International</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">service mechanical</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);"><br /> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">0!
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