<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Dear Mr. Bradley,<br><br>               Many thanks! You're right. But when I open the TRNSYS 15's *.tpf file using TRNSYS 17 studio, so many former informations lost, the links' color became BLUE, please see the ATTACHED.<br>


<br>              What's more, the TRNBUILD cann't open the former TRNSYS 15's *.bui file directly. It said, "cannot open BUI-File:(c:\trnsys 15\usr\Iwobay.bld)". Please see the 2nd ATTACHED. Please give me some advices to open them completely and keep all the former contents in detail using the TRNSYS 15/prebid/iisibat! I'm very eager to use those former programs.<br>


<br>             My support said to me, try to adapt the syntax in the .dec file to TRNSYS 17, but I tried, it still goes blank. Please see the 3rd ATTACHED. How to adapt  the syntax in the .dec file to TRNSYS 17?<br><br>


        Thanks a lot!<br><br>        Br.<br><br>wang<div><div></div><div><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/15 David BRADLEY <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>></span><br>

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  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
    Wang,<br>
     I just tried and it looks as though File: Open works as expected.
    The Trnsys17 Studio is used for opening *.tpf files; it will make
    its best attempt at automatically updating certain simulation
    parameters that changed between Trnsys15 and Trnsys16. TRNBuild is
    used for opening *.bui files; it will ask you to redefine your
    window data as window data was stored in an external file and not in
    the *.bui itself with Trnsys15.<br><font color="#888888">
    David</font><div><div></div><div><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 4/15/2011 03:18, � wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">Dear all,<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17?
      Please tell me the detailed steps!<br>
      <br>
      Thanks in advance!<br>
      <br>
      br.<br>
      <br>
      wang<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/14 王洋 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com" target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                1. Re: time delay by means of type 93 (input value  
              recall)<br>
                   (David BRADLEY)<br>
                2. Re: type 860 PCM Storage Units (David BRADLEY)<br>
                3. Re: Ground Convection coefficient (David BRADLEY)<br>
                4. Re: TRNSYS3D plugin question (Marion Hiller)<br>
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              From: David BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br>
              To: Stefan Wachter <<a href="mailto:wachter@mail.hs-ulm.de" target="_blank">wachter@mail.hs-ulm.de</a>><br>
              Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:44:56 -0500<br>
              Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] time delay by means of type 93
              (input value recall)<br>
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Stefan,<br>
                  Type93 simply holds onto a value for as many time
                steps as you ask it to, then "releases" the value. The
                control ought to work the same regardless of the system
                size. I am not sure what you mean by "continuous"
                controllers. If you mean that there are some controllers
                that continuously modify a flow rate in order to
                maintain an outlet temperature then a simple time delay
                might cause some problems. You might look at some of the
                controllers available in the TESS Controllers Library
                (for Trnsys17) as there are a number of devices in there
                with minimum run times and start-delays.<br>
                Best,<br>
                 David<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 4/8/2011 04:05, Stefan Wachter wrote:
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div style="font-family: Tahoma; direction: ltr; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px;">
                    <div dir="ltr">Hello everybody,</div>
                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">I am new
                        at trnsys-users.</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Currently
                        I`m modeling an already existing solar heating
                        system (for hot water).</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">In this
                        system the loading pump is activated by a time
                        delay of 4 minutes (after solar pump
                        is launched).</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">I tried
                        to model this as follows:</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">-
                        simulation time step: 2 minutes</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">-
                        storage of the control signal of the solar pump
                        over the last two time steps by means of type 93
                        (input value recall)</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">- if the
                        control signal of the solar pump is "1" in the
                        stored two time steps, then the loading pump is
                        launched.</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">It works
                        (tried by a simple example deck) but does it
                        also works</font> in context with a quite big
                      deck (120 m² apertur area, 2 continuous
                      controllers)?</div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">I`m
                        concerned about that the small time step of 2
                        minutes could cause problems (for example
                        oscillations of the controllers).</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Could
                        this work or have someone of you another idea
                        how i can solve this problem?</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Thanks a
                        lot.</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Best
                        regards.</font></div>
                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Stefan
                        Wachter</font> </div>
                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
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Principal
Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
Madison, WI  53703 USA

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              From: David BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br>
              To: Filippo Busato <<a href="mailto:busato@gest.unipd.it" target="_blank">busato@gest.unipd.it</a>><br>
              Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:11:52 -0500<br>
              Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 860 PCM Storage Units<br>
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Filippo,<br>
                 I am not familiar with Type860. However, there is a PCM
                wall material component available in the user-donated
                Type library (TRNLib). <br>
                <br>
                <a href="http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm" target="_blank">http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm</a><br>
                <br>
                best,<br>
                 David<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 4/13/2011 07:52, Filippo Busato wrote:
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi
                        everybody,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">               I
                        found in the report “Simulation Models of PCM
                        storage units” (IEA Report C5 Subtask C) that a
                        Type 860 has been developed by the Institute
                        HEIG-VD in Yverdon-les-Bains Switzerland, by
                        Jacques Bony and Stephane Citherlet.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would like
                        to know if that type is distributed and whom
                        could I get/buy that from.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can anyone
                        help?</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks in
                        advance</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Filippo
                        Busato</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Filippo Busato PhD</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>ingegnere</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Università di Padova</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dipartimento di Tecnica e
                        Gestione dei sistemi industriali</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Str.lla S.Nicola 3 -36100
                        Vicenza (VI)</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">tel. (+39)
                        0444 998846 - fax. (+39) 0444 998884</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">email: <a href="mailto:busato@gest.unipd.it" target="_blank">busato@gest.unipd.it</a></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">web: <a href="http://www.gest.unipd.it/%7Ebusato" target="_blank">www.gest.unipd.it/~busato</a></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">skype:
                        foucault76 </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
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Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
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              To: <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_blank">pseudomino@gmx.com</a><br>
              Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:16 -0500<br>
              Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Ground Convection coefficient<br>
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> As noted in
                TRNBuild (where you set the back side convection
                coefficient), a value smaller than 0.001 is used to
                indicate direct contact between a BOUNDARY wall and a
                temperature. A large value (such as 999) is used with
                other wall categories (ADJACENT, EXTERNAL, etc.) to
                indicate good thermal contact.<br>
                Best,<br>
                 David<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 4/13/2011 10:30, <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_blank">pseudomino@gmx.com</a>
                wrote:
                <blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hello,<br>
                      <br>
                      Usually, when using the assistant to create a
                      multizone building, the convection coefficient
                      between the soil and the floor is set to 999 to
                      reproduce the absence of thermal resistance.<br>
                      <br>
                      But when I create a file using the Trnsys3D import
                      from Sketchup, this same coefficient is set by
                      default to 0,001.<br>
                      Why is that ?<br>
                      <br>
                      Please help me understand</span></span>
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22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
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              From: "Marion Hiller" <<a href="mailto:hiller@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hiller@transsolar.com</a>><br>
              To: trnsys-users <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br>
              Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:43 +0200<br>
              Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question<br>
              <p>
              </p>
              <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="DE">
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Dear Lampros,</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">When I
                        saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window
                        showed 17 shading
                        objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I
                        believe that it automatically
                        created one object per surface, it is important
                        to know</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>1.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Is this normal?</span>
                  </p>
                  <p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">=> Yes
                        this is normal. Thr pluginallows you to draw
                        several shading surfaces into one group because
                        it is more convienent than
                        creating a group for each surface.</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>2.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Does this affect
                      my calculations?<br>
                      => Yes, this is the required input and
                      therefore it is working fine </span><font face="Wingdings"><span style="font-family: Wingdings;" lang="EN-US">J</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>3.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Can I do
                      something to make it behave properly?<br>
                      => No, this is the proper behavour</span>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>4.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Why does outliner
                      window of my skp,  even though it produces errors,
                      shows the shading
                      objects properly?<br>
                      => because it’s not an error.</span>
                  </p>
                  <p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Best
                        regards,</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Marion</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span>
                  </p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Arial" size="1"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Geschäftsführer:
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font>
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                    <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Lampros Karalis
                          [mailto:<a href="mailto:lkaralis@metal.ntua.gr" target="_blank">lkaralis@metal.ntua.gr</a>]
                          <br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b>
                          Mittwoch, 13. April 2011
                          15:23<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">An:</span></b>
                          <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                          <a href="mailto:lkaralis@gmail.com" target="_blank">lkaralis@gmail.com</a><br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b>
                          [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D
                          plugin question</span></font><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";"></span></font>
                    </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Dear All,</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">I am
                        working with the latest version of the TRNSYS 3d
                        plugin on windows
                        XP and using the trnsys 17.00019 version of the
                        simulation Studio.</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">I already
                        have sketched my building and defined the zones
                        in it, as
                        described on the manual. </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">The most
                        common problems I have met so far have to do
                        with some error
                        messages when I try to use the skp file. However
                        I read Mr. ‘s Duffy note
                        that we should only use the idf file, and
                        therefore I did not worry.</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">My main
                        problem begun when I started drawing the shadow
                        objects that
                        affect my building.  I did defined the objects
                        as noted on the tutorial
                        (version June 2010) and on the Outliner Window I
                        could see two Shading Object
                        groups, (one for the nearby building that affect
                        mine and one for a second
                        construction that is attached to my building)
                        Please see attached skp file.</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">When I
                        saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window
                        showed 17 shading
                        objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I
                        believe that it automatically
                        created one object per surface, it is important
                        to know</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>5.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Is this normal?</span>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>6.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Does this affect
                      my calculations?</span>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>7.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Can I do
                      something to make it behave properly?</span>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>8.<font face="Times New
                            Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">      
                            </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Why does outliner
                      window of my skp,  even though it produces errors,
                      shows the shading
                      objects properly?</span>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Any help
                        would be most appreciated, specially on
                        questions #1, #2</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Best
                        Regards</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Lampros
                        Karalis</span></font>
                  </p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
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