Dear Wang,<br /><br />1. The blue lines are indeed the undefined connections. The reasons for this is that sometimes as components age through different versions, the inputs of the components are changed or modified.<br /><br />2. I was able to open the *.bui (NOT the *.bld) without any problems.<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />Matt Duffy<br /><br /><br /><!--replyfwdwrap--><div style="background-image: url(http://webmail.fusemail.com/de/r_bg_img.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: 50% top"><strong>----- Original Message -----</strong><br /><strong>From:</strong> "王洋" <wanghongyang1767@gmail.com> <br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Mon, May 2, 2011 7:21<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> [TRNSYS-users] Fwd: R How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys15 using trnsys 17<br /><br /><table cellspacing="5" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><div class="PrivateMsgDiv"><!-- begin sanitized html --><br /><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div> </div><div!
class="h5"><br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">Dear Mr. Bradley,<br /><br /> Many thanks! You're right. But when I open the TRNSYS 15's *.tpf file using TRNSYS 17 studio, so many former informations lost, the links' color became BLUE, please see the ATTACHED.<br /><br /> What's more, the TRNBUILD cann't open the former TRNSYS 15's *.bui file directly. It said, "cannot open BUI-File:(c:\trnsys 15\usr\Iwobay.bld)". Please see the 2nd ATTACHED. Please give me some advices to open them completely and keep all the former contents in detail using the TRNSYS 15/prebid/iisibat! I'm very eager to use those former programs.<br /><br /> My support said to me, try to adapt the syntax in the .dec file to TRNSYS 17, but I tried, it still goes bla!
nk. Please see the 3rd ATTACHED. How to adapt the syntax in the .dec f
ile to TRNSYS 17?<br /><br /> Thanks a lot!<br /><br /> Br.<br /><br />wang <div><div> </div><div><br /><br /><br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/15 David BRADLEY <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_new" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>></span><br /><blockquote style="border-left: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Wang,<br /> I just tried and it looks as though File: Open works as expected. The Trnsys17 Studio is used for opening *.tpf files; it will make its best attempt at automatically updating certain simulation parameters that changed between Trnsys15 and Trnsys16. TRNBuild is used for opening *.bui files; it will ask you to redefine your window data as window data was stored in an external file and not in the *.bui itself with Trnsys15.<br /><!
font color="#888888">David</font> <div><div> </div><div><br /><br /><br />On 4/15/2011 03:18, � wrote: <blockquote type="cite">Dear all,<br /><br /><br />How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17? Please tell me the detailed steps!<br /><br />Thanks in advance!<br /><br />br.<br /><br />wang<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/14 王洋 <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_new" href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span><br /><blockquote style="border-left: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/14 <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_new" href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br /><blockquote style="border-left: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Send TRNSYS-users mailing list submissions to<br />!
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torage Units (David BRADLEY)<br /> 3. Re: Ground Convection coefficient (David BRADLEY)<br /> 4. Re: TRNSYS3D plugin question (Marion Hiller)<br /><br /><br />---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br />From: David BRADLEY <<a target="_new" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br />To: Stefan Wachter <<a target="_new" href="mailto:wachter@mail.hs-ulm.de">wachter@mail.hs-ulm.de</a>><br />Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:44:56 -0500<br />Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] time delay by means of type 93 (input value recall)<br /><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Stefan,<br /> Type93 simply holds onto a value for as many time steps as you ask it to, then "releases" the value. The control ought to work the same regardless of the system size. I am not sure what you mean by "continuous" controllers. If you mean that there are some controllers that continuously modify a flow rate in order to main!
tain an outlet temperature then a simple time delay might cause some p
roblems. You might look at some of the controllers available in the TESS Controllers Library (for Trnsys17) as there are a number of devices in there with minimum run times and start-delays.<br />Best,<br /> David<br /><br /><br />On 4/8/2011 04:05, Stefan Wachter wrote: <blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; direction: ltr; color: rgb(0,0,0); font-size: 13px"><div dir="ltr">Hello everybody,</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">I am new at trnsys-users.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">Currently I`m modeling an already existing solar heating system (for hot water).</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">In this system the loading pump is activated by a time delay of 4 minutes (after solar pump is launched).</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">I tried to model this as follows:</font></div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" f!
ace="tahoma">- simulation time step: 2 minutes</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">- storage of the control signal of the solar pump over the last two time steps by means of type 93 (input value recall)</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">- if the control signal of the solar pump is "1" in the stored two time steps, then the loading pump is launched.</font></div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">It works (tried by a simple example deck) but does it also works</font> in context with a quite big deck (120 m² apertur area, 2 continuous controllers)?</div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">I`m concerned about that the small time step of 2 minutes could cause problems (for example oscillations of the controllers).</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">Could this work or have someone of you another idea how i can solve this problem?</font></di!
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a">Thanks a lot.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">Best regards.</font></div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">Stefan Wachter</font> </div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr"> </div></div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
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ody,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> I found in the report “Simulation Models of PCM storage units” (IEA Report C5 Subtask C) that a Type 860 has been developed by the Institute HEIG-VD in Yverdon-les-Bains Switzerland, by Jacques Bony and Stephane Citherlet.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would like to know if that type is distributed and whom could I get/buy that from.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can anyone help?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks in advance</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Filippo Busato</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>--------!
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<a target="_new" href="http://www.trnsys.com/">http://www.trnsys.com</a></pre></div><br /><br />---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br />From: David BRADLEY <<a target="_new" href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br />To: <a target="_new" href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com">pseudomino@gmx.com</a><br />Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:16 -0500<br />Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Ground Convection coefficient<br /><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">As noted in TRNBuild (where you set the back side convection coefficient), a value smaller than 0.001 is used to indicate direct contact between a BOUNDARY wall and a temperature. A large value (such as 999) is used with other wall categories (ADJACENT, EXTERNAL, etc.) to indicate good thermal contact.<br />Best,<br /> David<br /><br /><br />On 4/13/2011 10:30, <a target="_new" href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com">pseudomino@gmx.com</a> wrote: <blockquote type="cite"><span style="font!
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<a target="_new" href="http://www.trnsys.com/">http://www.trnsys.com</a></pre></div><br /><br />---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br />From: "Marion Hiller" <<a target="_new" href="mailto:hiller@transsolar.com">hiller@transsolar.com</a>><br />To: trnsys-users <<a target="_new" href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br />Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:43 +0200<br />Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question<br /><p> </p><div lang="DE" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000080" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt">Dear Lampros,</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000080" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000080" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-s!
ize: 10pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it automatically created one object per surface, it is important to know</span></font></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>1.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Is this normal?</span></p><p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">=> Yes this is normal. Thr pluginallows you to draw several shading surfaces into one group because it is more convienent than creating a group for each surface.</span></font></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>2.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Does this affect my calculations?<br />=> Yes, this is the required input and therefore it is working fine </span><font face="Wingdings"><span style="font-family: Wingdings" lang="EN-US">J</span></font></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>3.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Can I do something to make it behave properly?<br />=> No, this is the proper behavour</span></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>4.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Why does outliner window of my skp, even though it produces errors, shows the shading objects properly?<br />=> because it’s not an error.</span></p><p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></font></p><p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Marion</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000080" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000080" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-fa!
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bsp; </span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold">Von:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt"> Lampros Karalis [mailto:<a target="_new" href="mailto:lkaralis@metal.ntua.gr">lkaralis@metal.ntua.gr</a>] <br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 13. April 2011 15:23<br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold">An:</span></b> <a target="_new" href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Cc:</span></b> <a target="_new" href="mailto:lkaralis@gmail.com">lkaralis@gmail.com</a><br /><b><span style="font-weight: bold">Betreff:</span></b> [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question</span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2!
" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Dear All,<
/span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">I am working with the latest version of the TRNSYS 3d plugin on windows XP and using the trnsys 17.00019 version of the simulation Studio.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">I already have sketched my building and defined the zones in it, as described on the manual. </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">The most common problems I have met so far have to do with some error messages when I try to use the skp file. However I read Mr. ‘s Duffy note that we should only use the idf file,!
and therefore I did not worry.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">My main problem begun when I started drawing the shadow objects that affect my building. I did defined the objects as noted on the tutorial (version June 2010) and on the Outliner Window I could see two Shading Object groups, (one for the nearby building that affect mine and one for a second construction that is attached to my building) Please see attached skp file.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I bel!
ieve that it automatically created one object per surface, it is impor
tant to know</span></font></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>5.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Is this normal?</span></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>6.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Does this affect my calculations?</span></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>7.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Can I do something to make it behave properly?</span></p><p style="margin-left: 54pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"><span>8.<font size="1" face="Times New
Roman"><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Why does outliner window of my skp, even though it produces errors, shows the shading objects properly?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Any help would be most appreciated, specially on questions #1, #2</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Best Regards</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Lampros Karalis</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" f!
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