Dear all,<br><br><br>How to open *.tpf and *.bui files of Trnsys 15 using trnsys 17? Please tell me the detailed steps!<br><br>Thanks in advance!<br><br>br.<br><br>wang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/14 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br>
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1. Re: time delay by means of type 93 (input value recall)<br>
(David BRADLEY)<br>
2. Re: type 860 PCM Storage Units (David BRADLEY)<br>
3. Re: Ground Convection coefficient (David BRADLEY)<br>
4. Re: TRNSYS3D plugin question (Marion Hiller)<br>
<br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: David BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br>To: Stefan Wachter <<a href="mailto:wachter@mail.hs-ulm.de">wachter@mail.hs-ulm.de</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:44:56 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] time delay by means of type 93 (input value recall)<br>
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Stefan,<br>
Type93 simply holds onto a value for as many time steps as you ask
it to, then "releases" the value. The control ought to work the same
regardless of the system size. I am not sure what you mean by
"continuous" controllers. If you mean that there are some
controllers that continuously modify a flow rate in order to
maintain an outlet temperature then a simple time delay might cause
some problems. You might look at some of the controllers available
in the TESS Controllers Library (for Trnsys17) as there are a number
of devices in there with minimum run times and start-delays.<br>
Best,<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/8/2011 04:05, Stefan Wachter wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Hello everybody,</div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">I am new at
trnsys-users.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Currently I`m
modeling an already existing solar heating system (for hot
water).</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">In this system the
loading pump is activated by a time delay of 4 minutes
(after solar pump is launched).</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">I tried to model
this as follows:</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">- simulation time
step: 2 minutes</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">- storage of the
control signal of the solar pump over the last two time
steps by means of type 93 (input value recall)</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">- if the control
signal of the solar pump is "1" in the stored two time
steps, then the loading pump is launched.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">It works (tried by a
simple example deck) but does it also works</font> in
context with a quite big deck (120 m² apertur area, 2
continuous controllers)?</div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">I`m concerned about
that the small time step of 2 minutes could cause problems
(for example oscillations of the controllers).</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Could this work or
have someone of you another idea how i can solve this
problem?</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Thanks a lot.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Best regards.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font face="tahoma" size="2">Stefan Wachter</font> </div>
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:11:52 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] type 860 PCM Storage Units<br>
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Filippo,<br>
I am not familiar with Type860. However, there is a PCM wall
material component available in the user-donated Type library
(TRNLib). <br>
<br>
<a href="http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm" target="_blank">http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/trnlib/library16.htm</a><br>
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best,<br>
David<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi everybody,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> I found
in the report “Simulation Models of PCM storage units” (IEA
Report C5 Subtask C) that a Type 860 has been developed by
the Institute HEIG-VD in Yverdon-les-Bains Switzerland, by
Jacques Bony and Stephane Citherlet.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would like to know if
that type is distributed and whom could I get/buy that from.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can anyone help?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks in advance</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Filippo Busato</span></p>
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Madison, WI 53703 USA
P:+1.608.274.2577
F:+1.608.278.1475
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<br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: David BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com">pseudomino@gmx.com</a><br>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:16:16 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Ground Convection coefficient<br>
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As noted in TRNBuild (where you set the back side convection
coefficient), a value smaller than 0.001 is used to indicate direct
contact between a BOUNDARY wall and a temperature. A large value
(such as 999) is used with other wall categories (ADJACENT,
EXTERNAL, etc.) to indicate good thermal contact.<br>
Best,<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/13/2011 10:30, <a href="mailto:pseudomino@gmx.com" target="_blank">pseudomino@gmx.com</a> wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Hello,<br>
<br>
Usually, when using the assistant to create a multizone
building, the convection coefficient between the soil and the
floor is set to 999 to reproduce the absence of thermal
resistance.<br>
<br>
But when I create a file using the Trnsys3D import from
Sketchup, this same coefficient is set by default to 0,001.<br>
Why is that ?<br>
<br>
Please help me understand</span></span>
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<br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "Marion Hiller" <<a href="mailto:hiller@transsolar.com">hiller@transsolar.com</a>><br>To: trnsys-users <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:14:43 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D plugin question<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Dear Lampros,</span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading
objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it automatically
created one object per surface, it is important to know</span></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>1.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Is this normal?</span>
</p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">=> Yes this is normal. Thr pluginallows you to draw
several shading surfaces into one group because it is more convienent than
creating a group for each surface.</span></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>2.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Does this affect
my calculations?<br>
=> Yes, this is the required input and therefore it is working fine </span><font face="Wingdings"><span style="font-family: Wingdings;" lang="EN-US">J</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>3.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Can I do
something to make it behave properly?<br>
=> No, this is the proper behavour</span>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>4.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Why does outliner
window of my skp, even though it produces errors, shows the shading
objects properly?<br>
=> because it’s not an error.</span>
</p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Marion</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font>
</p>
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<hr width="100%" align="center" size="2">
</span></font></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">Von:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Lampros Karalis
[mailto:<a href="mailto:lkaralis@metal.ntua.gr" target="_blank">lkaralis@metal.ntua.gr</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gesendet:</span></b> Mittwoch, 13. April 2011
15:23<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">An:</span></b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:lkaralis@gmail.com" target="_blank">lkaralis@gmail.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Betreff:</span></b> [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS3D
plugin question</span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";"></span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Dear All,</span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">I am working with the latest version of the TRNSYS 3d plugin on windows
XP and using the trnsys 17.00019 version of the simulation Studio.</span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">I already have sketched my building and defined the zones in it, as
described on the manual. </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">The most common problems I have met so far have to do with some error
messages when I try to use the skp file. However I read Mr. ‘s Duffy note
that we should only use the idf file, and therefore I did not worry.</span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">My main problem begun when I started drawing the shadow objects that
affect my building. I did defined the objects as noted on the tutorial
(version June 2010) and on the Outliner Window I could see two Shading Object
groups, (one for the nearby building that affect mine and one for a second
construction that is attached to my building) Please see attached skp file.</span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"> </span></font>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">When I saved and reopen the idf file, Outiner window showed 17 shading
objects (!) see attached idf file. Even though I believe that it automatically
created one object per surface, it is important to know</span></font>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>5.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Is this normal?</span>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>6.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Does this affect
my calculations?</span>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>7.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Can I do
something to make it behave properly?</span>
</p>
<p style="margin-left: 54pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US"><span>8.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font><span lang="EN-US">Why does outliner
window of my skp, even though it produces errors, shows the shading
objects properly?</span>
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Any help would be most appreciated, specially on questions #1, #2</span></font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt;" lang="EN-US">Best Regards</span></font>
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