Dear Mr. Bradley,<br><br> Many thanks for your reply!<br><br> Please see the ATTACHED! They are .tpf and .bui files. The living room is the test room, its ambient room is kitchen.<br><br> To solar incident: Yes, I didn't define solar incident on my building. <br>
<br> To 2nd: I used the TRNBUILD Wall's default convective heat
transfer coefficient:11 kJ/h*m^2*K and 64 kJ/h*m^2*K to calculate the Q
Heat loss.<br><br> I calculated the different u-value of different wall types based on the test room's actual data.<br>
<br> To 3rd: The test room(living room) has no windows.<br><br>To 4th: Yes, there is no internal gains and no infiltration and ventilation in my building.<br><br>To
5th: Yes, the living room's ambient room is kitchen. Kitchen's indoor
air temperature is also keeping 20°C from initial temperature.<br>
<br>To 6th: I defined all the wall and floor boundary temperature of the
test room (except the ambient wall next to the kitchen) are 10°C.<br><br>To
7th: I defined initial indoor air temperatures of the test room and
kitchen are 20°C, other wall's initial boundary temperature is 10°C<br>
<br><br>All in all, the result of QHEAT in TRNSYS is 6600 kJ/day, but the heat loss by Heat transfer equations is 24000 kJ/day.<br><br>Please help me find the possible reasons.<br><br>MAny thanks!<br><br>Br.<br><br>wang
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/21 王洋 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Wang,<br> QHEAT is the amount of sensible energy that has to be added to a space to maintain it at its set point temperature. I am highly skeptical that it is possible or even correct to try and "verify" Type56 using steady state hand calculations. Type56 takes into account hundreds of interdependent phenomena and holding something like indoor/outdoor temperature difference constant is no guarantee that all of them will be constant. A few comments about your test: I assume you do not have any solar incident on your building as that would have a significant impact on QHEAT. Second, Type56 dynamically calculates (and can output) the convective heat transfer coefficient on the inside and outside surface of each wall. Those coefficients impact the overall u-value of the wall; make sure that you are using the same u-value in your hand calc as Type56 is using. Third; windows pose an even more complex problem as they are modeled as having a frame u-value, and a center of glass u-value that I believe is derated to account for edge effects. Make certain that the u-value you are using in your hand calculations and the u-value that Type56 is calculating are the same. Fourth, I assume that you have no internal gains, infiltration, or ventilation in your building either as these also would impact QHEAT. Fifth, if your building has multiple zones, make certain that all of them are at the same temperature. Sixth, if you are modeling a floor that is coupled to a boundary temperature, there is probably energy transfer through that surface. Seventh, the Type56 zones all have initial conditions; make certain that your calculation is done long after the start of the simulation to avoid any leftover transient effects.<br>
David
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<blockquote type="cite">Dear all,<br><br> I want to know what is the QHEAT caculation model in TRNSYS? Because I assumed a situation: The indoor and outdoor temperature keep the constant all the time, based on the Energy Balance the QHEAT must be equal to the heat loss through the walls. But the result of QHEAT in TRNSYS is 6600 kJ/day, but the heat loss by Heat transfer equations is 24000 kJ/day. So I want to know what is the QHEAT caculation model in TRNSYS? Why both of them are so much defferent?<br>
<br>Many thanks!<br><br>br.<br><br>wang<br><br>
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3. Type 927 W/W heat pump (Partenay, Vincent)<br> 4. Re: Type 927 W/W heat pump (Matt Duffy)<br> 5. Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS (??)<br><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: Serban Cristina <<a href="mailto:cristina.serban@unitbv.ro" target="_blank">cristina.serban@unitbv.ro</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br>Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:33:42 +0200<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] problem in trnbuild<br>
<div>Dear trnsys users,<br><br>I am a new user of TRNSYS and I have encountered some problems.<br><br>I created a multizone building in simulation studio, and when I edited the building in trnbuild I created a new wall but I haven't defined layers in it.<br>
Now when I try to edit the building to define the wall the error: no layers defined in mtype13 appears. I click ok and trnbuild closes.<br>How can I define my wall? is there a way? or do I have to start over again?<br><br>
My building has 4 zones but they are displayed on 2 levels (floors). Is there a way to automatically create the building on 2 levels? <br>In trnbuild each zone has 5 walls. If I add a new wall type (e.g. ceiling) to each zone will the building be with two levels? <br>
<br><br>P.S. I tried using the trnsys3d plugin but it doesn't work. It gives me too many errors. <br><br>PhD. Cristina SERBAN<br>Transilvania University of Brasov<br>Department of Renewable Energy Systems and Recycling<br>
<br></div><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: Matt Duffy <<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>><br>To: Serban Cristina <<a href="mailto:cristina.serban@unitbv.ro" target="_blank">cristina.serban@unitbv.ro</a>><br>
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 06:25:48 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem in trnbuild<br>Dear Cristina,<br><br>Since you are a new user, I am going to suggest that you instead use and learn the Trnsys3D plugin for Google SketchUp. There is a great tutorial that will walk you through everything, it is simple to apply multiple zones, add windows, and shading. After you import this Trnsys3d (*.idf) file into TrnBuild, you can indeed change the wall constructions. Please give it a try and let me know if you have any questions.<br>
<br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<br>Thermal Energy Systems Specialists<br><br><br>Sent from my mobile wireless device. Please excuse any typos.<br><br>On Mar 10, 2011, at 4:33 AM, Serban Cristina <<a href="mailto:cristina.serban@unitbv.ro" target="_blank">cristina.serban@unitbv.ro</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>> Dear trnsys users,<br>><br>> I am a new user of TRNSYS and I have encountered some problems.<br>><br>> I created a multizone building in simulation studio, and when I edited the building in trnbuild I created a new wall but I haven't defined layers in it.<br>
> Now when I try to edit the building to define the wall the error: no layers defined in mtype13 appears. I click ok and trnbuild closes.<br>> How can I define my wall? is there a way? or do I have to start over again?<br>
><br>> My building has 4 zones but they are displayed on 2 levels (floors). Is there a way to automatically create the building on 2 levels?<br>> In trnbuild each zone has 5 walls. If I add a new wall type (e.g. ceiling) to each zone will the building be with two levels?<br>
><br>><br>> P.S. I tried using the trnsys3d plugin but it doesn't work. It gives me too many errors.<br>><br>> PhD. Cristina SERBAN<br>> Transilvania University of Brasov<br>> Department of Renewable Energy Systems and Recycling<br>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:01:25 +0000<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Type 927 W/W heat pump<br>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:49:13 -0600 (CST)<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Type 927 W/W heat pump<br>Dear Vincent,<br><br>The detailed documentation for that component is not quite available; however, you may refer the the documentation for the previous version, Type668.<br>
<br>The Type927 WWHP is a fairly straightforward component. It references your manufacturer's data in the performance map in the external file. Oppose to Type668, the data file is normalized, so you can scale the power and the capacity as parameters in Type927. If you have any other particular questions about this component, please feel free to contact me.<br>
<br><br><br>Best regards, <br><br>Matt Duffy <br><br>
<div style="background-repeat: repeat-x;"><b>----- Original Message -----</b><br><b>From:</b> "Partenay, Vincent" <<a href="mailto:vincent.partenay@cstb.fr" target="_blank">vincent.partenay@cstb.fr</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu, March 10, 2011 7:01<br><b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] Type 927 W/W heat pump<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">I’m working with the new type 927 and I would like to get some information about how it works</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">Is there an available detailed documentation of Type 927 ?</span></p>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:46:00 +0100<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS<br>Dear all,<br><br> I have some questions about Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS:<br><br>1. I only find some equations about wall in Manual( such as Radaitive heat flows to the wall, external walls), but I only can understand a little. Please tell me some reference books about Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS. Because I simulated an actual test room: the indoor and outdoor temperature keep the same 20°C and 10°C, respectively, during one day 24 hours. As this situation, QHEAT muss be equal to Q heat loss by walls based on energy balance. But the result of QHEAT in TRNSYS is 6632 kJ, but based on heat transfer equations I got the heat loss energy is 24307 kJ. So I want to know the Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS.<br>
<br>2. To Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS: Whether it will consider Solar absorptance and Longwave Emission or not? But I didn't define these things. But from NTYPE 906 Energy Balance for surfaces: <br>1_B6_BAL = - 1_B6_DQWALLdt- 1_B6_QCOMI+ 1_B6_QCOMO+ 1_B6_QRADGI+ 1_B6_QRADGO- 1_B6_QALG <br>
5.839E-14 -2.217E+03 -1.093E-01 -2.217E+03 3.725E-03 0.000E+00 0.000E+00<br><br>But We can see B6_QRADGI still has value as 3.725E-03. I cann't understand. Please explain possible reasons for it. <br>
<br>B6_DQWALLdt in Manual is change of internal energy of surface, but it's a little abstract. Here I only used the heatings in TRNBUILD, no other internal gains. PLEASE give me some examples about change of internal energy of surface. Is it energy Generation of Wall etc.? Why here is minus (-2.217E+03)? What's difference between B6_DQWALLdt and B6_QCOMO? Why here they are the same? Is there some reasons?<br>
<br><br><br>3. How to get or check the TRNSYS program's source code? And how to get the TRNSYS program's setup files and look over the "compiled" files(fortran) etc.? Because some simulation results I cann't understand such as the above Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS etc. I want to understand their model and those simulation results and compare with the results by hand.<br>
<br><br>Many thanks!<br><br>br.<br><br>wang<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/8 王洋 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com" target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">Dear all,<br><br> I have some questions about Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS:<br><br>
1. I only find some equations about wall in Manual( such as Radaitive heat flows to the wall, external walls), but I only can understand a little. Please tell me some reference books about Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS. Because I simulated an actual test room: the indoor and outdoor temperature keep the same 20°C and 10°C, respectively, during one day 24 hours. As this situation, QHEAT muss be equal to Q heat loss by walls based on energy balance. But the result of QHEAT in TRNSYS is 6632 kJ, but based on heat transfer equations I got the heat loss energy is 24307 kJ. So I want to know the Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS.<br>
<br>2. To Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS: Whether it will consider Solar absorptance and Longwave Emission or not? But I didn't define these things. But from NTYPE 906 Energy Balance for surfaces: <br>1_B6_BAL = - 1_B6_DQWALLdt- 1_B6_QCOMI+ 1_B6_QCOMO+ 1_B6_QRADGI+ 1_B6_QRADGO- 1_B6_QALG <br>
5.839E-14 -2.217E+03 -1.093E-01 -2.217E+03 3.725E-03 0.000E+00 0.000E+00<br><br>But We can see B6_QRADGI still has value as 3.725E-03. I cann't understand. Please explain possible reasons for it. <br>
<br>B6_DQWALLdt in Manual is change of internal energy of surface, but it's a little abstract. Here I only used the heatings in TRNBUILD, no other internal gains. PLEASE give me some examples about change of internal energy of surface. Is it energy Generation of Wall etc.? Why here is minus (-2.217E+03)? What's difference between B6_DQWALLdt and B6_QCOMO? Why here they are the same? Is there some reasons?<br>
<br><br><br>3. How to get or check the TRNSYS program's source code? And how to get the TRNSYS program's setup files and look over the "compiled" files(fortran) etc.? Because some simulation results I cann't understand such as the above Wall heat transfer model in TRNSYS etc. I want to understand their model and those simulation results and compare with the results by hand.<br>
<br><br>Many thanks!<br><br>br.<br><br>wang<br><br>
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To: <a href="mailto:juvenciotavares@hotmail.com" target="_blank">juvenciotavares@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</a><br>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:34:17 -0600 (CST)<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Questions...please reply<br><br>Dear Juvencio,<br><br>It appears that when you imported the file into TRNBuild, the application did not find the adjacent surface. This could be for a couple of reasons: the adjacency needs to be defined, or the surface in TRNSYS3D has a face that is reversed. Please refer to the TRNSYS3D tutorial PDF for more great information.<br>
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:41:06 -0600 (CST)<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Stratified storage Tank<br><br>Dear Lei Wang,<br><br>I just tried this, and it simulated without problems in version 17, but<br>when I tried in version 16, I also received the error. I can only<br>
speculate that this is due to the changes that we implemented for<br>TrnsysConstants - we increased the number of parameters.<br>Another option besides updating to version 17 is to use the Type534 TESS<br>Tank model as well. Please let me know if you have any more questions<br>
about this.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Lei Wang" <<a href="mailto:leiwang@tees.tamus.edu" target="_blank">leiwang@tees.tamus.edu</a>><br>Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 16:17<br>
Subject:[TRNSYS-users] Stratified storage Tank<br><br><br>Hi, All<br><br>I try to use the Type4a(stratified storage tank) to modeling the ChW<br>thermal storage<br>tank, which volume was 1 million gal and height was 100 feet.<br>
<br><br>The description of the type is as following<br>"The thermal performance of a fluid-filled sensible energy storage tank,<br>subject to<br>thermal stratification, can be modeled by assuming that the tank consists<br>
of N (N <=<br>100) fully-mixed equal volume segments"<br><br>So I think the maximum nodes number can be 100.<br><br>But when I input the number of nodes were 100, the TrnExe shows that there<br>was a<br>range check error. When I check the list file, there didn't show any error<br>
Information.<br><br>When I input the number of nodes were 80, it works fine.<br><br><br>Thanks<br><br>Lei<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>TRNSYS-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">TRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
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From: Rambod Rayegan <<a href="mailto:rraye001@fiu.edu" target="_blank">rraye001@fiu.edu</a>><br>To: hotline <<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>><br>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:49:42 -0500<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Strange error<br>
<div>Christian,<br> <br>Even when I change back the roof property to the previous one, the error exists. It seems, right now, it is independent of the roof property. This is the reason that I called it strange error.<br>
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<div>Rambod Rayegan<br>Ph.D Candidate<br>Mechanical Engineering Department<br>Florida International University<br>10555 W Flagler St, EC3620<br>Miami, FL, 33174<br> <br>305-348-3558 (Office)<br>786-218-7375(Cell)<br>305-348-1932 (Fax)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:33 AM, hotline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">seems like you hit a limit for the generation of the transfer function coefficients.</font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Please check if the roof is defined correctly.</font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"> </div>
<div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span>Regards</span></span></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span></span></span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Christian</span></span> </div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> Rambod Rayegan [mailto:<a href="mailto:rraye001@fiu.edu" target="_blank">rraye001@fiu.edu</a>] <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 5. März 2011 06:08<br><b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>
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<p>Dear TRNSYS users: </p></div>
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<div>I am working on a model created buy TRNSYS 3d plugin in google sketchup for couple of months. Everyday I add something to it or modify some parameters in it. Today, I have just changed the roof type in the building type 56 and tried to run it again but I have received the following error: </div>
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<div><font color="#3333ff">Visual Fortran run-time error</font> </div>
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<div><font color="#3333ff">fortrtl:severe(64):input conversion error, unit 56, file C:\.....building.trn </font> </div>
<div><font color="#3333ff">Image PC Routine Source DFORRT.DLL 02014C49 Unknown Unknown Unknown</font> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Anybody has an idea to solve the issue? </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thank you. </div>
<div><br>Rambod Rayegan<br>Ph.D Candidate<br>Mechanical Engineering Department<br>Florida International University<br>10555 W Flagler St, EC3620<br>Miami, FL, 33174<br> <br>305-348-3558 (Office)<br>786-218-7375(Cell)<br>
305-348-1932 (Fax)<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "Matt Duffy" <<a href="mailto:duffy@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">duffy@tess-inc.com</a>><br>
To: "Rambod Rayegan" <<a href="mailto:rraye001@fiu.edu" target="_blank">rraye001@fiu.edu</a>>, <a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a><br>Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:57:02 -0600 (CST)<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Strange error<br>Dear Rambod,<br><br>If you send me the IDF file, I might be able to shed some light on the error.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Matt Duffy<br><br><br>
<div style="background-repeat: repeat-x;"><b>----- Original Message -----</b><br><b>From:</b> "Rambod Rayegan" <<a href="mailto:rraye001@fiu.edu" target="_blank">rraye001@fiu.edu</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Mon, March 7, 2011 9:49<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Strange error<br><br>
<div>
<div>Christian,<br> <br>Even when I change back the roof property to the previous one, the error exists. It seems, right now, it is independent of the roof property. This is the reason that I called it strange error.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Rambod Rayegan<br>Ph.D Candidate<br>Mechanical Engineering Department<br>Florida International University<br>10555 W Flagler St, EC3620<br>Miami, FL, 33174<br> <br>305-348-3558 (Office)<br>786-218-7375(Cell)<br>305-348-1932 (Fax)</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:33 AM, hotline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">seems like you hit a limit for the generation of the transfer function coefficients.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Please check if the roof is defined correctly.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"> </div>
<div><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span>Regards</span></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Christian</span></span></div>
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<div>
<p>Dear TRNSYS users:</p></div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am working on a model created buy TRNSYS 3d plugin in google sketchup for couple of months. Everyday I add something to it or modify some parameters in it. Today, I have just changed the roof type in the building type 56 and tried to run it again but I have received the following error:</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#3333ff">Visual Fortran run-time error</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#3333ff">fortrtl:severe(64):input conversion error, unit 56, file C:\.....building.trn </font></div>
<div><font color="#3333ff">Image PC Routine Source DFORRT.DLL 02014C49 Unknown Unknown Unknown</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Anybody has an idea to solve the issu! e?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
<div><br>Rambod Rayegan<br>Ph.D Candidate<br>Mechanical Engineering Department<br>Florida International University<br>10555 W Flagler St, EC3620<br>Miami, FL, 33174<br> <br>305-348-3558 (Office)<br>786-218-7375(Cell)<br>
305-348-1932 (Fax)</div>
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