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    Just in case it is not clear, it is also worth mentioning that an
    *.idf file exists only if the SketchUp drawing was saved by the
    Trnsys3D plugin as a *.idf file. If what you are drawing in SketchUp
    is shades of grey, chances are that you are not drawing with the
    Trnsys3D plugin but with SketchUp itself; in this case there won't
    be anything for the plugin to save as it does not "see" SketchUp
    objects. If the shapes that you are drawing turn yellow (for walls)
    and red (for roofs) then you are drawing in the Trnsys3D plugin and
    you can save (and then later reopen) the *.idf file. Bear in mind
    that you save the *.idf using the save icon in the Trnsys3D toolbar
    NOT by selecting "save" from the "file" menu.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 3/31/2011 07:48, Matt Duffy wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:1301575718.v2.mailanyonewebmail-331886@fuseweb2e"
      type="cite">There are two ways to open the *.idf. <br>
      <br>
      1.) the Plugins menu: Plugins --> Trnsys3d --> Open<br>
      <br>
      2.) the T3d open icon (see attached)<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Again, do not save any *.skp, do not worry about any *.skp, and do
      not open any *.skp. All of the information is in the *.idf.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      <br>
      Matt Duffy<br>
      <br>
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        <strong>From:</strong> "王洋" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"><wanghongyang1767@gmail.com></a> <br>
        <strong>Sent:</strong> Thu, March 31, 2011 7:33<br>
        <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TRNSYS-users] open the former
        *.skp file with TRNSYS3D<br>
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                  Dear Mr. Duffy,<br>
                  <br>
                      Thanks! But how to open the *.idf file? By what?
                  Simulation Studio or Sketchup etc.?<br>
                  <br>
                      Many thanks!<br>
                  <br>
                     Br.<br>
                  <br>
                  wang<br>
                      <br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/31 Matt Duffy <span
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                      Dear TRNSYS Users,<br>
                      <br>
                      There seems to be this question very often. Please
                      remember to work in the TRNSYS3D plugin (Open,
                      Save, Close the *.idf) and NOT open/close/save in
                      SketchUp (*.skp). You do not even need to save any
                      *.skp.<br>
                      <br>
                      Thank you,<br>
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                        Matt Duffy<br>
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                          <div class="h5"><b>----- Original Message
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                            <b>From:</b> "王洋" <<a
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                              href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>>
                            <br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Thu, March 31, 2011 3:02<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] open the
                            former *.skp file with TRNSYS3D<br>
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                                    <div class="h5">Dear all,<br>
                                      <br>
                                         How to open the former *.skp
                                      file correctly?<br>
                                      <br>
                                        When I open it, it always shows
                                      as follows:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Sorry...the plugin has encountered
                                      an error.  This error may cause
                                      unpredictable behavior in the
                                      plugin--continue this session with
                                      caution!  It would probably be a
                                      good idea to exit SketchUp and
                                      start again.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      For help, please contact the
                                      TRNSYS newsgroup by <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        target="_new"
                                        href="https://www-old.cae.wisc.edu/mailman/listinfo/trnsys-users">https://www-old.cae.wisc.edu/mailman/listinfo/trnsys-users</a>
                                      .<br>
                                      <br>
                                       When reporting a bug, please
                                      include the error message and
                                      backtrace below (scroll down):<br>
                                      <br>
                                      ERROR:<br>
                                      NameError<br>
                                      wrong constant name
                                      lorScaleInterface<br>
                                      <br>
                                      BACKTRACE:<br>
                                      C:/Programme/Google/Google
                                      SketchUp
                                      7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in
                                      `const_get'<br>
                                      C:/Programme/Google/Google
                                      SketchUp
                                      7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in
                                      `restore_state'<br>
                                      C:/Programme/Google/Google
                                      SketchUp
                                      7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in
                                      `initialize'<br>
                                      C:/Programme/Google/Google
                                      SketchUp
                                      7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/AsynchProc.rb:13:in
                                      `call'<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Please give some suggustions!<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Many thanks!<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Br.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      wang<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/30
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                                          Today's Topics:<br>
                                          <br>
                                            1. problem of IDF File from
                                          Sketchup8 in TRNBUILD (Pauline
                                          GELIN)<br>
                                            2. Polymer PV-T absorber/
                                          Type 560 (Philip Horn)<br>
                                            3. trnsys3d pug-in sketchup8
                                          : problem of adjacent wall for<br>
                                               several others zones
                                          (Pauline GELIN)<br>
                                            4. Re: Soil noding plugin
                                          for Googlesketchup. (Jeff
                                          Thornton)<br>
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                                          From: Pauline GELIN <<a
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                                            href="mailto:p.gelin@katene.fr">p.gelin@katene.fr</a>><br>
                                          To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                            href="mailto:TRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.edu">TRNSYS-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>"
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                                          Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011
                                          15:21:13 +0200<br>
                                          Subject: [TRNSYS-users]
                                          problem of IDF File from
                                          Sketchup8 in TRNBUILD<br>
                                          <div link="blue"
                                            vlink="purple" lang="FR">
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">(SketchUp
                                                  8 (with some hours on
                                                  Sketchup Pro eval),
                                                  Operating
                                                  system:Windows Vista)</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">From a 2D
                                                  plan created in Nova,
                                                  I had to create in 3D
                                                  each zone/room
                                                  separated to, after,
                                                  copy them in one
                                                  different trnsys3d
                                                  zone for each. </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">After I
                                                  had to identify each
                                                  adjacent wall between
                                                  all the rooms. </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">Then, I
                                                  saved a IDf File and
                                                  wanted to import it in
                                                  TRNBuild. </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">There was
                                                  this following message
                                                  : </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">"Zone:
                                                  ARCH 1 Airnode: ARCH1
                                                  (it is the nam of one
                                                  of my rooms)</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">Wall must
                                                  have an active layer
                                                  or chilled ceiling
                                                  layer or must be
                                                  adjacent to a
                                                  different zone</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">ADJ_WALL
                                                  Surf 13</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">"</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">I don't
                                                  understand what this
                                                  means because this
                                                  room includes 3
                                                  external walls and
                                                  only one adj_wall.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> And as
                                                  on Sketchup we can't
                                                  identify several
                                                  adjacent rooms, I
                                                  linked this adj_wall
                                                  with the room with the
                                                  most common surface
                                                  which is even not
                                                  13m². </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">Is there
                                                  anyone who can tell me
                                                  what I can change to
                                                  succeed my import ?</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US">Thank you
                                                  so much for your help.</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Best
                                                Regards,</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Pauline
                                                Gelin</p>
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                                          Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011
                                          09:49:56 -0400<br>
                                          Subject: [TRNSYS-users]
                                          Polymer PV-T absorber/ Type
                                          560<br>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Dear
                                                All,</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                want to simulate an
                                                unglazed  polymer PV-T
                                                collector in TRNSYS.</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">I was
                                                wondering if anyone has
                                                done this already, or
                                                could give some advice?</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">My
                                                plan is to take Type 560
                                                and modify some
                                                parameters (heat
                                                conductivity, heat
                                                transfer coefficients
                                                (want to model
                                                rectangular “tubes”).</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">It
                                                must not be 100%
                                                accurate in the
                                                beginning, more like a
                                                first estimation.</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Would
                                                be glad if someone could
                                                give some helpful input.</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Best
                                                Regards,</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Philip</p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                                    style="color:
                                                    black;">Philip Horn</span></b><span
                                                  style="color: black;"><br>
                                                  <b>Fraunhofer Center
                                                    for Sustainable
                                                    Energy Systems CSE</b><br>
                                                  25 First Street</span></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                  style="color: black;">Cambridge,
                                                  MA 02141, U.S.A.<br>
                                                  +1 617-575 7250 x139<br>
                                                </span><span
                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  8.5pt; color: black;"><a
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                                                    href="mailto:astokes@fraunhofer.org"><span
                                                      style="color:
                                                      blue;">phorn@fraunhofer.org</span></a><br>
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                                                    href="http://cse.fraunhofer.org/"><span
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                                                      blue;">http://cse.fraunhofer.org/</span></a></span></p>
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                                          Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011
                                          18:23:19 +0200<br>
                                          Subject: [TRNSYS-users]
                                          trnsys3d pug-in sketchup8 :
                                          problem of adjacent wall for
                                          several others zones<br>
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                                                  style="font-size:
                                                  12pt; font-family:
                                                  "Times New
                                                  Roman","serif";"
                                                  lang="EN-US">SketchUp
                                                  version:sketchup8<br>
                                                  Operating
                                                  system:windows xp<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I am so sorry to ask a
                                                  so easy question but I
                                                  didn't find how to
                                                  link a wall to several
                                                  others zones. <br>
                                                  Indeed, in the object
                                                  info we can only
                                                  choose one zone. <br>
                                                  But, if I cut my zone
                                                  into 2 parts and, for
                                                  example, erase the
                                                  adjacent wall to
                                                  recreate it in
                                                  trnbuild, after, there
                                                  is no more interest to
                                                  use sketchup and it
                                                  would be quicker to do
                                                  everything in
                                                  trnbuild. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Is there anyone who
                                                  already met this
                                                  problem? <br>
                                                  Do you have a solution
                                                  ?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Thanks a lot in
                                                  advance for your help.
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Best regards, <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Pauline Gelin. </span></p>
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                                          From: "Jeff Thornton" <<a
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                                          To: "Sébastien THOMAS" <<a
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                                          Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011
                                          11:48:25 -0500 (CDT)<br>
                                          Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users]
                                          Soil noding plugin for
                                          Googlesketchup.<br>
                                          <I am attempting to run the
                                          « Soil Noding 2D » plugin for
                                          sketchup.<br>
                                          Unfortunately I did not reach
                                          to build any mesh in the text
                                          file.   In<br>
                                          fact, I have the following
                                          messages but no mesh at the
                                          end of the<br>
                                          procedure :      TESS Soil
                                          & Slab Noding program for
                                          TRNSYS 17.  How far<br>
                                          the building is the
                                          temperature of the soil
                                          assumed unaffected by the<br>
                                          building….     Has someone
                                          good knowledge of this plugin
                                          ?  ><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Did you answer the question
                                          posed by the plugin?  Put in
                                          something like 10<br>
                                          meters and hit enter.  Then
                                          continue to answer the
                                          questions until the<br>
                                          program informs you that the
                                          data file has been created.
                                           We use it all<br>
                                          the time!<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Jeff<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Jeff Thornton<br>
                                          President - TESS, LLC<br>
                                          <br>
                                          22 North Carroll Street -
                                          Suite 370<br>
                                          Madison WI 53703 USA<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Phone: 608-274-2577<br>
                                          Fax: 608-278-1475<br>
                                          E-mail: <a
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                                          Web: <a
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David BRADLEY
Principal
Thermal Energy Systems Specialists, LLC
22 North Carroll Street - suite 370
Madison, WI  53703 USA

P:+1.608.274.2577
F:+1.608.278.1475
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