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Wang,<br>
Chapter 18 is the one you need; look specifically on page 18.19 at
the mathematical description of the conduction process through the
walls.<br>
<br>
As for your question about pressure differences, the pressure
difference between indoors and outdoors varies with a great many
factors (windspeed, direction, obstructions, building height, the
nature of the openings in the building facades, etc.). In many
tests, the flow through an opening with a 50Pa pressure difference
is given. Whether a 50Pa pressure difference is average or extreme,
however, depends on the building.<br>
Regards,<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/16/2011 08:25, 王洋 wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:AANLkTimo4=w0B-y8pHsVO-7_6aEFWVG3bA2kMiqTfZCQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">Dear Mr. Bradley,<br>
<br>
But I cann't find the ASHRAE Handbook of Fundamentals about<br>
the Conduction Transfer Function methodology. My ASHRAE Handbook
of Fundamentals is 2009 version.<br>
The chapter 4 Heat transfer and Chapter 6 Mass transfer have no
informations about transfer function coefficients.<br>
Please tell me which chapter of the ASHRAE Handbook of
Fundamentals contains transfer function coefficients etc.?<br>
<br>
PLUS: <font face="Arial" size="2"><span>In </span></font>Test
Data Option of TRNFLOW : about the pressure difference(pa).
Please tell me normally what's the pressure differnce between
outside and inside in winter or summer? The trnflow manual <font
face="Arial" size="2"><span>and Example Rest_com.tpf </span></font>have
no detailed introduction. I tried also 20 pa or 0 pa etc. Is it
OK? <br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br>
<br>
Br.<br>
<br>
wang<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>
<div class="h5">
><br>
><br>
> Wang,<br>
> The thermal time constant for a zone in your building
is not a simple<br>
> thing to compute. It has to do with the materials in
the wall, the<br>
> placement<br>
> of the mass within the wall, the capacitance of the
zone, ventilation,<br>
> infiltration, gains, solar radiation, etc. I would
think that the easiest<br>
> way to get an estimate of the zone's thermal time
constant is to impose a<br>
> step change in one input on it - step change the
ambient temperature while<br>
> holding all other inputs constant for example.<br>
><br>
> The numbers that you see in the *.inf file are
transfer function<br>
> coefficients. You can read in the ASHRAE Handbook of
Fundamentals about<br>
> the<br>
> Conduction Transfer Function methodology.<br>
> Regards,<br>
> David<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 11/3/2010 09:29, 王洋 wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> 1. How to calculate or find the thermal time constant
of zone in TRNSYS<br>
> software?<br>
><br>
> ---------- WALL TYPE BST_FL_HEAT_W1 ----------<br>
><br>
> THERMAL CONDUCTANCE, U= 67.80000 kJ/h m2K;
U-Wert= 4.48235<br>
> W/m2K<br>
> (incl. alpha_i=7.7 W/m^2 K and alpha_o=25
W/m^2 K)<br>
><br>
> TRANSFERFUNCTION COEFFICIENTS<br>
> K A B C
D<br>
><br>
> 0 1.7050117E+02 2.1087019E+01
1.7050117E+02<br>
> 1.0000000E+00<br>
> 1 -1.1800059E+02 3.5808933E+01
-1.1800059E+02<br>
> -1.3683139E-01<br>
> 2 6.0267372E+00 1.6298573E+00
6.0267372E+00<br>
> 4.7362566E-05<br>
> 3 -1.2736107E-03 2.3363784E-04
-1.2736107E-03<br>
> SUM 5.8526043E+01 5.8526043E+01
5.8526043E+01<br>
> 8.6321597E-01<br>
> What's meaning of A B C D? Are they Wall's
TRANSFERFUNCTION COEFFICIENTS?<br>
> And what is the thermal time constant of the whole
zone? How to calculate<br>
> or<br>
> find the thermal time constant of the whole zone in
TRNSYS software?<br>
> Need I calculate by myself the whole zone's
TRANSFERFUNCTION based on<br>
> all<br>
> the walls of the zone or others?<br>
><br>
> 2. How to calculate or find air volume flow of the
window opening in<br>
> TRNFlow software?<br>
> The window opening area (m2)is known. Whether it needs
the wind<br>
> speed(m/s)<br>
> or not?<br>
><br>
> Many thanks!<br>
><br>
> Br.<br>
><br>
> wang<br>
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>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] GenOpt optimization:
problem for the second<br>
>> generation after 5 simulations<br>
>> Dear Alexis,<br>
>><br>
>> I've had a similar error when I used Genopt. I've
had several components<br>
>> tracked by a "trace" command that made my list file
enormous (more than<br>
>> 100Mb) and genopt could'nt handle that amount of
data.<br>
>><br>
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>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] google
sketchup+trnsys3d<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> that's a well known problem that will be fixed in
the next version.<br>
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>> An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] google sketchup+trnsys3d<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello everybody,<br>
>> Thanks for your posts that's always really
interesting!<br>
>> I come up with a problem using Google Sketchup and
TRNSYS3D: inside a<br>
>> TRNSYS zone, I draft a square, then I want to pull
it up at a certain<br>
>> height, so I write the number then Enter, and this
error appears:<br>
>><br>
>> <-----Beginning of the error-----><br>
>> ERROR:<br>
>> NoMethodError<br>
>> undefined method `position' for<br>
>> #<Sketchup::AttributeDictionary:0xfcb4eb8><br>
>><br>
>> BACKTRACE:<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:309:in
`polygon_loop'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:309:in
`each'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:309:in
`polygon_loop'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:321:in
`outer_polygon'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:326:in
`polygon'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingUtils.rb:27:in<br>
>> `detect_base_face'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingUtils.rb:20:in
`each'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingUtils.rb:20:in<br>
>> `detect_base_face'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:254:in
`face_polygon'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:253:in
`each'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:253:in
`face_polygon'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/Surface.rb:107:in<br>
>> `update_input_object'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:94:in<br>
>> `update_input_object'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingInterface.rb:353:in<br>
>> `on_change_entity'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/observers/FaceObserver.rb:32:in
`onChangeEntity'<br>
>> C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
>> 8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/AsynchProc.rb:17:in
`initialize'<br>
>><br>
>> <-----End of the error-----><br>
>><br>
>> When I pull it up manual, I don't have any problem,
just when I write<br>
>> the number.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks in advance for your help,<br>
>> Julia.<br>
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>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:19:58 +0100<br>
>> Subject: [TRNSYS-users] input file<br>
>><br>
>> Hi to everybody!<br>
>><br>
>> I don’t understand why, for certain projects, I
can’t open the input<br>
>> file,<br>
>> the message is “the system cannot find the path
specified”.<br>
>><br>
>> Where should I find the input file?<br>
>><br>
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>> Thanks a lot<br>
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>> To: "Thibaut VITTE" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 07:23:05 -0500 (CDT)<br>
>> Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] GenOpt optimization:
problem for the<br>
>> secondgeneration after 5 simulations<br>
>> This type of error in GenOpt is usually caused by
an error in the TRNSYS<br>
>> simulation. You need to check the *.lst file for
the TRNSYS run to see<br>
>> what the TRNSYS error is.<br>
>><br>
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>> Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 5:27<br>
>> Subject:Re: [TRNSYS-users] GenOpt optimization:
problem for the<br>
>> secondgeneration after 5 simulations<br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Dear Alexis,<br>
>><br>
>> I've had a similar error when I used Genopt.
I've had several<br>
>> components tracked by a "trace" command that
made my list file<br>
>> enormous (more than 100Mb) and genopt could'nt
handle that amount of<br>
>> data.<br>
>><br>
>> Just my 2cents.<br>
>><br>
>> Thibaut<br>
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