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    Wang,<br>
      If your questions are not being answered on this user forum, they
    should be directed to the distributor from whom you purchased
    TRNFlow.<br>
    Regards,<br>
     David<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 3/2/2011 07:41, 王洋 wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AANLkTinH1hH35g1aTGcKbN-mR0TbcTqVaBz_St-y4A8s@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite"><br>
      Dear all,
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        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
               I have some questions about TRNFLOW 's TEST DATA:<br>
              <div>
                <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
                          <br>
                  <br>
                  To <font face="Arial" size="2"><span>"test data" :  :<br>
                      <br>
                      1. I defined </span></font><font face="Arial"
                    size="2"><span>"test data",</span></font> I defined
                  initial CO2% as 1000 ppm(0.00164 kg/kg) in the test
                  room in TRNFlow, and I defined the ambient CO2% as 400
                  ppm(0.00065726 kg/kg). But after running, the ambient
                  CO2% as 400 ppm(0.00065726 kg/kg) doesn't work, the
                  indoor CO2% reduce beyond 400 ppm(0.00065726 kg/kg)
                  and up to 6.00E-10kg/kg, i think the air flow rate in
                  test data works all the time, the ambient CO2% as 400
                  ppm(0.00065726 kg/kg) doesn't work.<br>
                  So I defined an Equation in simulation studio: when
                  CONZ(the indoor CO2% )<0.00065726, air flow factor
                  is 0. What's the meaning of air flow factor?<br>
                   I think the above problem's reason is air flow
                  factor(1) works all the time. Is my thought right or
                  not? Please see the ATTACHED 1st and 2nd. Please have
                  a look at my programs whether are they right or not?
                  If not please correct them. thanks!<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  But after running, I found CO2% reducing rate of the
                  curve is very faster than my actual measurement in the
                  test room. Please see the ATTACTED 3rd and 4th. To 3rd
                  you can see only about 2 hours the CO2% got to 400
                  ppm(0.00065726 kg/kg), but to 4th the actual
                  measurement curve in the test room: it needs about 10
                  hours to get to 400 ppm(0.00065726 kg/kg). Please
                  explain it, why the difference is so bigger? Or please
                  see the ATTACHED 1st and 2nd to verify the CO2%
                  reducing curve in TRNFlow with ATTACTED 4th the actual
                  measurement curve.<br>
                  <br>
                  2. Please tell me how to get the CO2% data etc. of
                  TRNFlow output after running?<br>
                  <br>
                  Many thanks!<br>
                  <br>
                  Br.<br>
                  <br>
                  wang<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/24 hotline <span
                      dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com"
                        target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>></span>
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                          rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
                          padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
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                                face="Arial" size="2"><span>Dear Mr
                                  Wang,</span></font> </div>
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                                face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font> 
                            </div>
                            <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font
                                face="Arial" size="2"><span>it is not
                                  working to use CO2 concentrations if
                                  you turn off TRNFLOW.</span></font> </div>
                            <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font
                                face="Arial" size="2"><span>So you will
                                  have to use TRNFLOW and if you want to
                                  define a fixed infiltration rate, then
                                  you could use the link type "test
                                  data" and so define the 0.52xx ACH.</span></font>
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                              <div><span style="font-family: Arial;
                                  font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 10pt;"><span>Best regards</span></span></span>
                              </div>
                              <div><span style="font-family: Arial;
                                  font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                    style="font-family: Arial;
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                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 10pt;">Christian Frenzel</span>
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                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 10pt;">TRANSSOLAR
                                    Software Team</span> </p>
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                                  class="MsoNormal"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com"
                                    target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>
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                                    href="http://www.trnsys.de/"
                                    target="_blank">www.trnsys.de</a> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><span
                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 10pt;">Transsolar
                                    KlimaEngineering - Technologien für
                                    energieeffizientes Bauen und
                                    Nutzerkomfort in Gebäuden</span><span
                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 7.5pt;">                                   
                                  </span></p>
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                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 10pt;">Transsolar
                                    Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2,
                                    70563 Stuttgart / Amtsgericht
                                    Stuttgart - HRB 23347 / UsSt.-Id:
                                    DE152272639</span><span
                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 7.5pt;"></span> </p>
                                <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"
                                  class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="font-family: Arial;
                                    font-size: 10pt;">Geschäftsführer:
                                    Dipl.Ing. Matthias Schuler,
                                    Dipl.Ing. Thomas Auer, Dipl.Phys.
                                    Stefan Holst, Prof. Volkmar Bleicher</span><span
                                    style="font-family: 'Courier New';
                                    color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"></span>
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                              <hr>
                                 <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b>
                                王洋 [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>]
                                <br>
                                <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 23. Februar
                                2011 10:48<br>
                                <b>An:</b> hotline<br>
                                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re:
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions about
                                TRNSYS<br>
                              </font><br>
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                                <p>Dear Mr. Frenzel,<br>
                                  <br>
                                        Thanks!<br>
                                  <br>
                                        In the TRNFlow manual: there it
                                  is explained that "As soon as TRNFLOW
                                  is turned on, (...) in the simulation
                                  the defined infiltrations,
                                  ventilations and couplings will be
                                  replaced with the calculated air
                                  flows."          The fact is that I
                                  defined initial CO2% as 1000
                                  ppm(0.00164 kg/kg) in the test room in
                                  TRNFlow, and I defined the ambient
                                  CO2% as 380 ppm(0.0005819 kg/kg).
                                  Meanwhile,  I defined the infiltration
                                  rate as 0.5276 1/h in TRNBUILD.  I
                                  want to compare the CO2% reducing
                                  curve in the test room based on the
                                  infiltration rate  0.5276 1/h of
                                  actual measurement value with by
                                  TRNSYS simulation. But when I used
                                  TRNFLOW, the defined infiltration rate
                                  as 0.5276 1/h in TRNBUILD was replaced
                                  maybe.  1000 ppm in the test room
                                  keeps constant. Please see the
                                  ATTACHED.<br>
                                  <br>
                                      Please explain this! Or tell me
                                  how to define in TRNSYS/TRNFlow in
                                  order to compare the test room
                                  infiltration rate of actual
                                  measurement value with by
                                  TRNSYS/TRNFlow simulation? I want to
                                  observe CO2%'s reducing curve when
                                  infiltration rate is 0.5276 1/h (I
                                  measured the value in the test room)
                                  using TRNSYS/TRNFlow, to observe the 
                                  CO2%'s reducing curve whether is the
                                  same as the actual measuring CO2%'s
                                  reducing curve or not?<br>
                                  <br>
                                     Many thanks!<br>
                                  <br>
                                    Br.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  wang<br>
                                    <br>
                                  <br>
                                </p>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/22
                                  hotline <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com"
                                      target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>></span><br>
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                                    0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:
                                    1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
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                                          style="font-family: Arial;
                                          font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial;
                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span>Dear
                                              Mr Wang,</span></span></span>
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                                          style="font-family: Arial;
                                          font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial;
                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span></span></span></span></div>
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                                          style="font-family: Arial;
                                          font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial;
                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span>1)
                                              unfortunately I have no
                                              advice to this</span></span></span>
                                      </div>
                                      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
                                          style="font-family: Arial;
                                          font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial;
                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span>2)
                                              The steps of the air
                                              temperature are resulting
                                              from the WALL TRANSFER
                                              FUNCTION CALCULATION. You
                                              are using a very small
                                              timestep of the simulation
                                              the wall transfer function
                                              is updated only every hour
                                              (that's the timebase).
                                              This is why you are
                                              getting these steps. So
                                              you would have to decrease
                                              the TIMEBASE by reducing
                                              the walls thickness.</span></span></span>
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                                      <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
                                          style="font-family: Arial;
                                          font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial;
                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span>3)
                                              Please have a look at the
                                              energy balance for a zone.
                                              You'll find these
                                              information in the
                                              MultizoneBuilding Manual
                                              on page 43 chapter Balance
                                              4</span></span></span> </div>
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                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span
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                                        <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font
                                            face="Arial"><font size="2">B<span>est
                                                regards</span></font></font>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="ltr" align="left"><font
                                            face="Arial"><font size="2"><span></span></font></font><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial;
                                            font-size: 10pt;"><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 10pt;">Christian
                                              Frenzel</span> </span></div>
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                                            0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 10pt;">TRANSSOLAR
                                              Software Team</span> </p>
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                                            0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com"
                                              target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>
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                                            align="left"><a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://www.trnsys.de/"
                                              target="_blank">www.trnsys.de</a>
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                                            align="left"><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 10pt;">Transsolar
                                              KlimaEngineering -
                                              Technologien für
                                              energieeffizientes Bauen
                                              und Nutzerkomfort in
                                              Gebäuden</span><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 7.5pt;">                                   
                                            </span></p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                            0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 10pt;">Transsolar
                                              Energietechnik GmbH,
                                              Curiestrasse 2, 70563
                                              Stuttgart / Amtsgericht
                                              Stuttgart - HRB 23347 /
                                              UsSt.-Id: DE152272639</span><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 7.5pt;"></span>
                                          </p>
                                          <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm
                                            0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="font-family: Arial;
                                              font-size: 10pt;">Geschäftsführer:
                                              Dipl.Ing. Matthias
                                              Schuler, Dipl.Ing. Thomas
                                              Auer, Dipl.Phys. Stefan
                                              Holst, Prof. Volkmar
                                              Bleicher</span><span
                                              style="font-family:
                                              'Courier New'; color:
                                              navy; font-size: 10pt;"></span>
                                          </p>
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                                              <font face="Tahoma"
                                          size="2"><b>Von:</b> 王洋
                                          [mailto:<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>]
                                          <br>
                                          <b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 21.
                                          Februar 2011 11:12<br>
                                          <b>An:</b> hotline<br>
                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Fwd: Re: Fwd:
                                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
                                          Questions about TRNSYS<br>
                                        </font><br>
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                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <p>Dear Mr. Frenzel,<br>
                                              <br>
                                               Many thanks!<br>
                                              <br>
                                               After I installed both of
                                              them once again, it's OK.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              1. To radiative part: The
                                              test room has 2 heatings:
                                              one is radiator, its power
                                              is 578 W, another is
                                              convector, its power is
                                              540 W. How can I define
                                              this situation's radiative
                                              part? As you said can I
                                              think both of them have
                                              only convective part? So I
                                              define the radiative part
                                              is 0 or not? As you know,
                                              it is very difficult to
                                              make sure what's the
                                              convective and radiative
                                              part of this test room
                                              situation. But my
                                              professor let me figure it
                                              out, so can I define the
                                              radiative part as 0? Or do
                                              you have some experience
                                              about this radiative part
                                              defining?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              2. To thermal time
                                              constant: Thermal time
                                              constants are a feature of
                                              the <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                title="Lumped system
                                                analysis"
                                                href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumped_system_analysis"
                                                target="_blank">lumped
                                                system analysis</a>
                                              (lumped capacity analysis
                                              method) for thermal
                                              systems, used when objects
                                              cool or warm uniformly
                                              under the influence of
                                              convective cooling or
                                              warming. In this case, the
                                              heat transfer from the
                                              body to the ambient at a
                                              given time is proportional
                                              to the temperature
                                              difference between the
                                              body and the ambient.<br>
                                              Physically, the constant
                                              represents the time it
                                              takes the system's <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_response"
                                                target="_blank">step
                                                response</a> to reach <img
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                alt="1-1/e \approx
                                                63.2%"
src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/7/6/6763884f1bcfc96545ad16c937ef5d3d.png">
                                              of its final (asymptotic)
                                              value. <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Please see ATTACHED 1st:
                                              Tset-point is 21°C from 8
                                              am to 6 pm, other is 20°C,
                                              Thermal time constant of
                                              this test room is the time
                                              that Tindoor air gets to
                                              the 20°C
                                              +63.2%(21-20°C)=20.632°C.
                                              But this is at the
                                              situation of floor
                                              heating. I want to
                                              simulate the situation
                                              when using Radiator and
                                              Convector. <br>
                                              Please see ATTACHED 2nd:
                                              The result is very
                                              strange. T indoor air
                                              which rises from lower
                                              temperature to higher
                                              appeares 3 jumps, this is
                                              very strange, because I
                                              closed all the windows and
                                              turned off TRNFLOW, only
                                              defined the infiltration
                                              in order to simulate the
                                              actual situation of the
                                              test room. But, meanwhile,
                                              QHeat is keeping constant.<br>
                                              Please see the .tpf and
                                              ,bui files of ATTACHED. </p>
                                            <div><br>
                                              Please tell me how to get
                                              the thermal time constant
                                              of the test room using
                                              TRNSYS? Or how to explain
                                              to my professor the ideal
                                              heating?  <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                             3. To ideal heating: Where
                                            is this heating? Can I
                                            define its position? How is
                                            it operating or working?<span></span><span></span><span></span><br>
                                            <br>
                                            Many thanks!<br>
                                            <br>
                                            br.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            wang<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/18
                                              hotline <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>></span>
                                              <div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    style="border-left:
                                                    1px solid rgb(204,
                                                    204, 204); margin:
                                                    0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
                                                    padding-left: 1ex;"
                                                    class="gmail_quote">
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span><font
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">Dear
                                                          Mr Wang,</font></span>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span></span></div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span><font
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">I
                                                          assume that
                                                          after
                                                          installing the
                                                          TRNSYS
                                                          17.00.0019
                                                          version you
                                                          installed the
                                                          latest TRNFLOW
                                                          version from
                                                          the 12.1.2011
                                                          .</font></span>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span><font
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">These
                                                          two versions
                                                          have to be
                                                          installed. If
                                                          you have these
                                                          two then
                                                          please make
                                                          sure that you
                                                          have fully
                                                          reading and
                                                          writing rights
                                                          for the TRNSYS
                                                          17
                                                          installation
                                                          folder.</font></span>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span></span></div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span><font
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">Every
                                                          heat source
                                                          has a certain
                                                          radiative part
                                                          and convective
                                                          part, it's up
                                                          to you to
                                                          define these
                                                          values. If you
                                                          want to get
                                                          further
                                                          information
                                                          about this
                                                          please refer
                                                          to
                                                          common literature
                                                          about heat
                                                          exchange.</font></span>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span></span></div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span><font
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">Ideal
                                                          heating means
                                                          a theoretical
                                                          value that
                                                          directly
                                                          interacts with
                                                          the energy
                                                          balance of an
                                                          airnode. It
                                                          represents the
                                                          heating that
                                                          is
                                                          required/available
                                                          to heat up the
                                                          room air
                                                          temperature.
                                                          The energy
                                                          balance of an
                                                          airnode you
                                                          can find in
                                                          the
                                                          MultizoneBuilding
                                                          manual.</font></span>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span></span></div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"><span><font
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">If
                                                          you explain me
                                                          the meaning of
                                                          the TIME
                                                          CONSTANT and
                                                          the context of
                                                          what you are
                                                          comparing then
                                                          maybe we could
                                                          have an
                                                          advice.</font></span>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div dir="ltr"
                                                          align="left"><span></span></div>
                                                        <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;">
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal" align="left"><span style="font-family: Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;"><span>Best
                                                          regards</span></span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal" align="left"><span style="font-family: Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;"><span></span></span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;">Christian
                                                          Frenzel</span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">TRANSSOLAR
                                                          Software Team</span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com"
target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          align="left"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.trnsys.de/" target="_blank">www.trnsys.de</a>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          align="left"><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;">Transsolar
                                                          KlimaEngineering
                                                          - Technologien
                                                          für
                                                          energieeffizientes
                                                          Bauen und
                                                          Nutzerkomfort
                                                          in Gebäuden</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          7.5pt;">                                   
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Transsolar
                                                          Energietechnik
                                                          GmbH,
                                                          Curiestrasse
                                                          2, 70563
                                                          Stuttgart /
                                                          Amtsgericht
                                                          Stuttgart -
                                                          HRB 23347 /
                                                          UsSt.-Id:
                                                          DE152272639</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          7.5pt;"></span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Geschäftsführer:
                                                          Dipl.Ing.
                                                          Matthias
                                                          Schuler,
                                                          Dipl.Ing.
                                                          Thomas Auer,
                                                          Dipl.Phys.
                                                          Stefan Holst,
                                                          Prof. Volkmar
                                                          Bleicher</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          'Courier New';
                                                          color: navy;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;"></span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr"
                                                        align="left"
                                                        lang="de">
                                                        <hr>
                                                                 <font
                                                          face="Tahoma"
                                                          size="2"><b>Von:</b>
                                                          王洋 [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>]
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Gesendet:</b>
                                                          Freitag, 18.
                                                          Februar 2011
                                                          14:16<br>
                                                          <b>An:</b>
                                                          hotline<br>
                                                          <b>Betreff:</b>
                                                          Re: Fwd: Re:
                                                          Re: Re: Re:
                                                          Re: Re: Re:
                                                          Questions
                                                          about TRNSYS<br>
                                                        </font><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p>Dear Mr.
                                                          Frenzel,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Please tell
                                                          me: All the
                                                          program is OK,
                                                          but after I
                                                          update the
                                                          TRNFlow, I
                                                          want to RUN or
                                                          right-click
                                                          TYPE 56 and
                                                          select EDIT
                                                          Building, it
                                                          appears at
                                                          once Visual
                                                          Studio
                                                          Debugger
                                                          Window! I
                                                          cann't RUN the
                                                          .tpf file and
                                                          Edit building.<span
                                                          style="color:
                                                          rgb(51, 102,
                                                          255);"> But I
                                                          can directly
                                                          open the same
                                                          .bui file from
                                                          TRNBuild not
                                                          from
                                                          Simulation
                                                          Studio and
                                                          right-click
                                                          TYPE 56 and
                                                          select Edit
                                                          Building. </span><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I think the
                                                          connection
                                                          between
                                                          Simualtion
                                                          Studio and
                                                          TRNBuild is
                                                          having problem
                                                          after update
                                                          TRNFLow. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#3366ff">The
                                                          bug shows
                                                          Unbahandelte
                                                          win32-
                                                          Ausnahme in
                                                          TRNBuild.exe(1564)<br>
                                                          Mögliche
                                                          Debugger:<br>
                                                          Neue Instanz
                                                          von Visual
                                                          Studio 2005</font><br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                            PLEASE tell
                                                          me how to
                                                          solve with it?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            I'm
                                                          extremely
                                                          worried!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>  1.
                                                           Please tell
                                                          me what's
                                                          meaning of
                                                          RADIATIVE PART
                                                          in HEATING
                                                          option? If the
                                                          heating are
                                                          Radiator and
                                                          Convector, how
                                                          to define this
                                                          RADIATIVE
                                                          PART? What's
                                                          percent to
                                                          set? 0 or
                                                          other? </div>
                                                          <div>    2.  I
                                                          defined a set
                                                          point indoor
                                                          temperature:20C
                                                          from 8 am to 6
                                                          pm, other time
                                                          is 18 C in the
                                                          test room . I
                                                          used the
                                                          HEATING to
                                                          realize it,
                                                          but the
                                                          heating is
                                                          ideal heating.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          what's the
                                                          meaning of
                                                          ideal heating?
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>  The
                                                          result is the
                                                          indoor
                                                          temperature
                                                          can get to the
                                                          set point at
                                                          once and no
                                                          time delay, so
                                                          I cann't get
                                                          the THERMAL
                                                          TIME CONSTANT
                                                          of the test
                                                          room. But my
                                                          professor let
                                                          me use TRNSYS
                                                          to verify the
                                                          result of
                                                          using TRNSYS
                                                          to calculate
                                                          the time
                                                          constant and
                                                          actual
                                                          measurement
                                                          test room
                                                          result of time
                                                          constant.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          how to get the
                                                          thermal time
                                                          constant of
                                                          the test room
                                                          using TRNSYS?
                                                          Or how to
                                                          explain to my
                                                          professor the
                                                          ideal
                                                          heating?  </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2011/2/18
                                                          王洋 <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204); margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>Dear Mr.
                                                          Frenzel,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Please tell
                                                          me: All the
                                                          program is OK,
                                                          but after I
                                                          update the
                                                          TRNFlow,  I
                                                          want to RUN or
                                                          EDIT Building,
                                                          it appears at
                                                          once Visual
                                                          Studio
                                                          Debugger
                                                          Window! I
                                                          cann't RUN the
                                                          .tpf file and
                                                          Edit building.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#3366ff">IT
                                                          shows
                                                          Unbahandelte
                                                          win32-
                                                          Ausnahme in
                                                          TRNBuild.exe(1564)<br>
                                                          Mögliche
                                                          Debugger:<br>
                                                          Neue Instanz
                                                          von Visual
                                                          Studio 2005<br>
                                                          </font>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                            PLEASE tell
                                                          me how to
                                                          solve with it?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            I'm
                                                          extremely
                                                          worried!
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>  1.
                                                           Please tell
                                                          me what's
                                                          meaning of
                                                          RADIATIVE PART
                                                          in HEATING
                                                          option? If the
                                                          heating are
                                                          Radiator and
                                                          Convector, how
                                                          to define this
                                                          RADIATIVE
                                                          PART? What's
                                                          percent to
                                                          set? 0 or
                                                          other? </div>
                                                          <div>    2.  I
                                                          defined a set
                                                          point indoor
                                                          temperature:20C
                                                          from 8 am to 6
                                                          pm, other time
                                                          is 18 C in the
                                                          test room . I
                                                          used the
                                                          HEATING to
                                                          realize it,
                                                          but the
                                                          heating is
                                                          ideal heating.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          what's the
                                                          meaning of
                                                          ideal heating?
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>  The
                                                          result is the
                                                          indoor
                                                          temperature
                                                          can get to the
                                                          set point at
                                                          once and no
                                                          time delay, so
                                                          I cann't get
                                                          the THERMAL
                                                          TIME CONSTANT
                                                          of the test
                                                          room. But my
                                                          professor let
                                                          me use TRNSYS
                                                          to verify the
                                                          result of
                                                          using TRNSYS
                                                          to calculate
                                                          the time
                                                          constant and
                                                          actual
                                                          measurement
                                                          test room
                                                          result of time
                                                          constant.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          how to get the
                                                          thermal time
                                                          constant of
                                                          the test room
                                                          using TRNSYS?
                                                          Or how to
                                                          explain to my
                                                          professor the
                                                          ideal
                                                          heating?  </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            Many thanks!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                           Br.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          wang<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2011/2/18
                                                          王洋 <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="border-left:
                                                          1px solid
                                                          rgb(204, 204,
                                                          204); margin:
                                                          0pt 0pt 0pt
                                                          0.8ex;
                                                          padding-left:
                                                          1ex;"
                                                          class="gmail_quote">Dear
                                                          Mr. Frenzel,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Please tell
                                                          me: All the
                                                          program is OK,
                                                          but after I
                                                          update the
                                                          TRNFlow,  I
                                                          want to RUN or
                                                          EDIT Building,
                                                          it appears at
                                                          once Visual
                                                          Studio
                                                          Debugger
                                                          Window! I
                                                          cann't RUN the
                                                          .tpf file and
                                                          Edit building.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            PLEASE tell
                                                          me how to
                                                          solve with it?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            I'm
                                                          extremely
                                                          worried!
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>  1.
                                                           Please tell
                                                          me what's
                                                          meaning of
                                                          RADIATIVE PART
                                                          in HEATING
                                                          option? If the
                                                          heating are
                                                          Radiator and
                                                          Convector, how
                                                          to define this
                                                          RADIATIVE
                                                          PART? What's
                                                          percent to
                                                          set? 0 or
                                                          other? </div>
                                                          <div>    2.  I
                                                          defined a set
                                                          point indoor
                                                          temperature:20C
                                                          from 8 am to 6
                                                          pm, other time
                                                          is 18 C in the
                                                          test room . I
                                                          used the
                                                          HEATING to
                                                          realize it,
                                                          but the
                                                          heating is
                                                          ideal heating.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          what's the
                                                          meaning of
                                                          ideal heating?
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>  The
                                                          result is the
                                                          indoor
                                                          temperature
                                                          can get to the
                                                          set point at
                                                          once and no
                                                          time delay, so
                                                          I cann't get
                                                          the THERMAL
                                                          TIME CONSTANT
                                                          of the test
                                                          room. But my
                                                          professor let
                                                          me use TRNSYS
                                                          to verify the
                                                          result of
                                                          using TRNSYS
                                                          to calculate
                                                          the time
                                                          constant and
                                                          actual
                                                          measurement
                                                          test room
                                                          result of time
                                                          constant.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          how to get the
                                                          thermal time
                                                          constant of
                                                          the test room
                                                          using TRNSYS?
                                                          Or how to
                                                          explain to my
                                                          professor the
                                                          ideal
                                                          heating?  </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                            Many thanks!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                           Br.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          wang<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2011/2/17
                                                          王洋 <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          <div>Dear Mr.
                                                          Frenzel, </div>
                                                          <div> thanks!
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>1.
                                                           Please tell
                                                          me what's
                                                          meaning of
                                                          RADIATIVE PART
                                                          in HEATING
                                                          option? If the
                                                          heating are
                                                          Radiator and
                                                          Convector, how
                                                          to define this
                                                          RADIATIVE
                                                          PART? What's
                                                          percent to
                                                          set? 0 or
                                                          other? </div>
                                                          <div>    2.  I
                                                          defined a set
                                                          point indoor
                                                          temperature:20C
                                                          from 8 am to 6
                                                          pm, other time
                                                          is 18 C in the
                                                          test room . I
                                                          used the
                                                          HEATING to
                                                          realize it,
                                                          but the
                                                          heating is
                                                          ideal heating.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          what's the
                                                          meaning of
                                                          ideal heating?
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>  The
                                                          result is the
                                                          indoor
                                                          temperature
                                                          can get to the
                                                          set point at
                                                          once and no
                                                          time delay, so
                                                          I cann't get
                                                          the THERMAL
                                                          TIME CONSTANT
                                                          of the test
                                                          room. But my
                                                          professor let
                                                          me use TRNSYS
                                                          to verify the
                                                          result of
                                                          using TRNSYS
                                                          to calculate
                                                          the time
                                                          constant and
                                                          actual
                                                          measurement
                                                          test room
                                                          result of time
                                                          constant.
                                                          Please tell me
                                                          how to get the
                                                          thermal time
                                                          constant of
                                                          the test room
                                                          using TRNSYS?
                                                          Or how to
                                                          explain to my
                                                          professor the
                                                          ideal
                                                          heating?  </div>
                                                          <div>Many
                                                          thanks! </div>
                                                          <div>br. </div>
                                                          <div>wang </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15
                                                          hotline <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com"
                                                          target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a>></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          204); margin:
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
                                                          align="left"><span><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Dear Mr. Wang,</font></span> </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
                                                          align="left"><span></span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>2. Indeed
                                                          in this
                                                          program has no
                                                          TRNFLOW, Do
                                                          you mean the
                                                          infiltration
                                                          only includes
                                                          the amount of
                                                          air entering
                                                          the room at
                                                          TAMB
                                                          condition?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#0000ff"
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2">right </font></span>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote"><span></span><br>
                                                          Did you see
                                                          the last
                                                          email's
                                                          ATTACHEDs? But
                                                          I got the
                                                          result of QINF
                                                          which are the
                                                          same when the
                                                          infiltration
                                                          is on or off.
                                                          I think
                                                          TNRSYS's
                                                          results are
                                                          questionable.
                                                          Why I turn off
                                                          the
                                                          infiltration,
                                                          is there still
                                                          having QINF? <span><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span> </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote"><span></span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote"><span><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">If you are using TRNFLOW then
                                                          these
                                                          definitions
                                                          replace the
                                                          definitions in
                                                          the ZONE
                                                          regime data
                                                          like
                                                          INFILTRATION,
                                                          VENTILATION
                                                          and COUPLING</font> </span>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          And  when the
                                                          walls are
                                                          massless or
                                                          massive, the
                                                          result of 
                                                          QINF which are
                                                          the same, it's
                                                          190.73 kJ all
                                                          the time not
                                                          only turning
                                                          on the
                                                          infiltration
                                                          but also
                                                          turning off
                                                          it; not only
                                                          massless but
                                                          also massive.<span><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"> </font></span> </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote"><span></span></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote"><span><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">You have defined wind influence
                                                          and so even if
                                                          the windows
                                                          are closed you
                                                          get a certain
                                                          infiltration</font> </span><br>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#0000ff"
                                                          face="Arial"
                                                          size="2"> </font></span>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote"><span>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;">
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal" align="left"><span style="font-family: Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;">Best
                                                          regards</span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Christian
                                                          Frenzel</span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">TRANSSOLAR
                                                          Software Team</span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hotline@transsolar.com" target="_blank">hotline@transsolar.com</a></font>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          align="left"><font
                                                          face="Arial"><font
                                                          size="2"><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.trnsys.de/" target="_blank">www.trnsys.de</a></font></font>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
                                                          align="left"><font
                                                          face="Arial"><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;">Transsolar
                                                          KlimaEngineering
                                                          - Technologien
                                                          für
                                                          energieeffizientes
                                                          Bauen und
                                                          Nutzerkomfort
                                                          in Gebäuden</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          7.5pt;">                                   
                                                          </span></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Transsolar
                                                          Energietechnik
                                                          GmbH,
                                                          Curiestrasse
                                                          2, 70563
                                                          Stuttgart /
                                                          Amtsgericht
                                                          Stuttgart -
                                                          HRB 23347 /
                                                          UsSt.-Id:
                                                          DE152272639</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          Arial;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          7.5pt;"></span>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="margin:
                                                          0cm 0cm 0pt;"
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Geschäftsführer:
                                                          Dipl.Ing.
                                                          Matthias
                                                          Schuler,
                                                          Dipl.Ing.
                                                          Thomas Auer,
                                                          Dipl.Phys.
                                                          Stefan Holst,
                                                          Prof. Volkmar
                                                          Bleicher</span><span
                                                          style="font-family:
                                                          'Courier New';
                                                          color: navy;
                                                          font-size:
                                                          10pt;"></span>
                                                          </p>
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