Dear all.<br><br><br>I have some questions about QHEAT and TYPE 46 as follows:<br>
<br>
To QHEAT: I set the indoor temperature as 20°C in heating type, the
Heating Power limited is 4024.8 kJ/hr (1.118 kW), the initial indoor
temperature is 20°C. I used the Integrator Type 46 to get the sum QHEAT
of 24 hours: 12707.7 kJ. I.E. The working power is only 147 W. Please
tell me what's meaning of limited Heating Power? Is it the MAX. Power
or not? How does the QHEAT work and get the result of Heating Demand?<br><br>
But I calculated by hand, the result is 96595.2
kJ. Why the difference is so great! How does the Integrator get the
result? Or how to calculate the sum of QHEAT in 24 hours by hand?
whether my result is wrong? <br>
<br>
To TYPE 46: How to set the Parameter of it: Printing & integrating
interval? I want to get the sum of One Hour and 24 Hours etc.<br>
<br>
Many thanks!<br><br>BR.<br><br>wang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/21 王洋 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wanghongyang1767@gmail.com">wanghongyang1767@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear all,<br><br> I have some questions about QHEAT and TYPE 46 as follows:<br><br> To QHEAT: I set the indoor temperature as 20°C in heating type, the Heating Power limited is 4024.8 kJ/hr (1.118 kW), the initial indoor temperature is 20°C. I used the Integrator Type 46 to get the sum QHEAT of 24 hours: 1270.77 kJ. But I calculated by hand, the result is 96595.2 kJ. Why the difference is so great! How does the Integrator get the result? Or how to calculate the sum of QHEAT in 24 hours by hand? whether my result is wrong? <br>
<br> To TYPE 46: How to set the Parameter of it: Printing & integrating interval? I want to get the sum of One Hour and 24 Hours etc.<br><br> Many thanks!<br><br> Br.<br><br>wang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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1. Re: error when opening sketchup (hotline)<br>
2. Type 40 Micro-Processor (Felix Martin Beutefuehr, BLV-TGE)<br>
3. Re: Strange error when using the equation proforma<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:00:28 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] error when opening sketchup<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hi,</font></span>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><span><font color="#0000ff">that's a known problem in the
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 16.
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Hi,
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am using the TRNSYS 3d plugin for SketchUp V7. I have v8
but the plugin doesn’t seem to attach to v8 (is this correct? Is there a plugin
for v8). Whenever I open sketch up I get the following error:
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry... the plugin has encountered an error. This error may
cause unpredictable behavior in the plugin continue this session with caution!
It would probably be a good idea to exit SketchUp and start again.
(unfortunately this happens everytime I open sketchup)
</p>
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</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For help please contact...
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<p class="MsoNormal">Error:
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<p class="MsoNormal">NameError
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Wrong constant name jectinfoInterface
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<p class="MsoNormal">Backtrace:
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<p class="MsoNormal">C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `const_get'
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<p class="MsoNormal">C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `restore_state'
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/DialogManager.rb:31:in `initialize'
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<p class="MsoNormal">C:/Program Files (x86)/Google/Google SketchUp
7/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/AsynchProc.rb:13:in `call'
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<p class="MsoNormal">My version of the plugin is 1.0.5.362
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you help
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks
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<p class="MsoNormal">Annie
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<p></p></div><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "Felix Martin Beutefuehr, BLV-TGE" <<a href="mailto:beutefuf@fh-trier.de" target="_blank">beutefuf@fh-trier.de</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</a><br>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:47:19 +0100<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Type 40 Micro-Processor<br>Hello everybody,<br>
<br>
I am trying to set up a solar system including a heatpump. For controlling<br>
reasons I am planning to implement Type 40 Microprocessor.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately I am not familiar with this type and I do not really have a clue<br>
how to work with this component. Does anyone have a good discription of that<br>
type beside the "Mathematical Reference" where I can find further information?<br>
<br>
I am very thankful for any kind of help concerning Type 40 that gives me a<br>
chance to understand how to work with this Microprocessor.<br>
<br>
Yours sincerely,<br>
<br>
Felix<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:12:26 +0800<br>
Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Strange error when using the equation proforma<br>Hello, David.<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply, but do you mean that the simulation does not start at<br>
the first component as indicated in the input file? Moreover, does the error<br>
only occur for the wrong equations within the same equation proforma?<br>
<br>
Best Regards<br>
LEE, Chun Kwong<br>
City University of Hong Kong<br>
<br>
Quoting David BRADLEY <<a href="mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com" target="_blank">d.bradley@tess-inc.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Chun Kwong,<br>
> You are correct in your understanding of how TRNSYS iterates to solve.<br>
> However, it has to have somewhere to start so TRNSYS performs a check on<br>
> all the equations before starting the simulation to make sure that it<br>
> can solve them. If you wrote a set of equations that said:<br>
><br>
> EQUATIONS 2<br>
> A = B<br>
> B = A<br>
><br>
> there would be no way that TRNSYS could ever solve because it would have<br>
> nowhere to begin the iteration. My guess is that your T_CHWS and T_CHWR<br>
> equations are too interdependent and therefore can't be resolved.<br>
> Best,<br>
> david<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 12/13/2010 20:38, <a href="mailto:a8304506@graduate.hku.hk" target="_blank">a8304506@graduate.hku.hk</a> wrote:<br>
> > Hello, everyone.<br>
> ><br>
> > I am trying to simulate a chiller plant with primary and secondary chilled<br>
> water<br>
> > pump systems. I use to equation proforma to calculate the chilled water<br>
> flow<br>
> > and temperature at the supply and return header. However, I get the<br>
> following<br>
> > error messages:<br>
> ><br>
> > *** Fatal Error at time : 0.000000<br>
> > Generated by Unit : Not applicable or not available<br>
> > Generated by Type : Not applicable or not available<br>
> > TRNSYS Message 420 : The following variable defined in an EQUATIONs<br>
> or<br>
> > CONSTANTs card could not be solved as this variable depends on either an<br>
> > undefined EQUATION or CONSTANT name or depends on another EQUATION or<br>
> CONSTANT<br>
> > that cannot be solved. For example A=B and B=A would trigger this error<br>
> > Reported information : T_CHWS<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > *** Fatal Error at time : 0.000000<br>
> > Generated by Unit : Not applicable or not available<br>
> > Generated by Type : Not applicable or not available<br>
> > TRNSYS Message 420 : The following variable defined in an EQUATIONs<br>
> or<br>
> > CONSTANTs card could not be solved as this variable depends on either an<br>
> > undefined EQUATION or CONSTANT name or depends on another EQUATION or<br>
> CONSTANT<br>
> > that cannot be solved. For example A=B and B=A would trigger this error<br>
> > Reported information : T_CHWR<br>
> ><br>
> > I am a little bit confused. My understanding is that Trnsys performs the<br>
> > calculation in the equation proforma based on the input and the sequence of<br>
> the<br>
> ><br>
> > equations as typed in the proforma, and the system performance at each time<br>
> step<br>
> > is determined component by component which follow the order as indicated in<br>
> the<br>
> > input file. Hence, should there be any improper formulation, the<br>
> consequence<br>
> > should generally be non-convergence. Is my interpretation wrong, and how<br>
> can I<br>
> > solve the problem? Please advise. Thank you!<br>
> ><br>
> > Best Regards<br>
> > LEE, Chun Kwong<br>
> > City University of Hong Knog<br>
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<br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "Arno Dentel" <<a href="mailto:Arno.Dentel@ohm-hochschule.de" target="_blank">Arno.Dentel@ohm-hochschule.de</a>><br>To: "'Felix Martin Beutefuehr, BLV-TGE'" <<a href="mailto:beutefuf@fh-trier.de" target="_blank">beutefuf@fh-trier.de</a>>, <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</a>><br>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:55:01 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Type 40 Micro-Processor<br>Dear Felix,<br>
<br>
I have used Type 40 to control a simple heatpumping application.<br>
Have a look in table 1 of my documentation, perhaps it helps to understand<br>
the parameterization<br>
of Type 40. In the studio file (version 16) you can see Type 40 as heatpump<br>
controller.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Arno<br>
<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users-bounces@cae.wisc.edu</a>] Im Auftrag von Felix Martin<br>
Beutefuehr, BLV-TGE<br>
Gesendet: Montag, 20. Dezember 2010 11:47<br>
An: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</a><br>
Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] Type 40 Micro-Processor<br>
<br>
Hello everybody,<br>
<br>
I am trying to set up a solar system including a heatpump. For controlling<br>
reasons I am planning to implement Type 40 Microprocessor.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately I am not familiar with this type and I do not really have a<br>
clue<br>
how to work with this component. Does anyone have a good discription of that<br>
type beside the "Mathematical Reference" where I can find further<br>
information?<br>
<br>
I am very thankful for any kind of help concerning Type 40 that gives me a<br>
chance to understand how to work with this Microprocessor.<br>
<br>
Yours sincerely,<br>
<br>
Felix<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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