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Wang,<br>
The thermal time constant for a zone in your building is not a
simple thing to compute. It has to do with the materials in the
wall, the placement of the mass within the wall, the capacitance of
the zone, ventilation, infiltration, gains, solar radiation, etc. I
would think that the easiest way to get an estimate of the zone's
thermal time constant is to impose a step change in one input on it
- step change the ambient temperature while holding all other inputs
constant for example. <br>
<br>
The numbers that you see in the *.inf file are transfer function
coefficients. You can read in the ASHRAE Handbook of Fundamentals
about the Conduction Transfer Function methodology. <br>
Regards,<br>
David<br>
<br>
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On 11/3/2010 09:29, 王洋 wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:AANLkTimRSHiVy+X9-hf6QBUA0nPCY+iE6zuv2QacSEvg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div>Dear all,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>1. How to calculate or find the thermal time constant of zone
in TRNSYS software? </div>
<p>---------- WALL TYPE BST_FL_HEAT_W1 ----------</p>
<p> THERMAL CONDUCTANCE, U= 67.80000 kJ/h m2K;
U-Wert= 4.48235 W/m2K<br>
(incl. alpha_i=7.7 W/m^2 K and alpha_o=25 W/m^2 K)</p>
<p> TRANSFERFUNCTION COEFFICIENTS<br>
K A B C D</p>
<p> 0 1.7050117E+02 2.1087019E+01 1.7050117E+02
1.0000000E+00<br>
1 -1.1800059E+02 3.5808933E+01 -1.1800059E+02
-1.3683139E-01<br>
2 6.0267372E+00 1.6298573E+00 6.0267372E+00
4.7362566E-05<br>
3 -1.2736107E-03 2.3363784E-04 -1.2736107E-03<br>
SUM 5.8526043E+01 5.8526043E+01 5.8526043E+01
8.6321597E-01</p>
<div>What's meaning of A B C D? Are they Wall's TRANSFERFUNCTION
COEFFICIENTS? And what is the thermal time constant of the whole
zone? How to calculate or find the thermal time constant of the
whole zone in TRNSYS software? <br>
Need I calculate by myself the whole zone's TRANSFERFUNCTION
based on all the walls of the zone or others?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>2. How to calculate or find air volume flow of the window
opening in TRNFlow software? <br>
</div>
<div>The window opening area (m2)is known. Whether it needs the
wind speed(m/s) or not?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Many thanks!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Br.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>wang<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Dear Alexis,<br>
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I've had a similar error when I used Genopt. I've had
several components tracked by a "trace" command that made my
list file enormous (more than 100Mb) and genopt could'nt
handle that amount of data.<br>
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Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] google sketchup+trnsys3d<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
that's a well known problem that will be fixed in the next
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Hopefully upcoming within the next weeks.<br>
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Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] google sketchup+trnsys3d<br>
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Hello everybody,<br>
Thanks for your posts that's always really interesting!<br>
I come up with a problem using Google Sketchup and TRNSYS3D:
inside a<br>
TRNSYS zone, I draft a square, then I want to pull it up at a
certain<br>
height, so I write the number then Enter, and this error
appears:<br>
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<-----Beginning of the error-----><br>
ERROR:<br>
NoMethodError<br>
undefined method `position' for<br>
#<Sketchup::AttributeDictionary:0xfcb4eb8><br>
<br>
BACKTRACE:<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:309:in `polygon_loop'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:309:in `each'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:309:in `polygon_loop'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:321:in `outer_polygon'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/sketchup/Sketchup.rb:326:in `polygon'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingUtils.rb:27:in<br>
`detect_base_face'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingUtils.rb:20:in `each'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingUtils.rb:20:in<br>
`detect_base_face'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:254:in
`face_polygon'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:253:in `each'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:253:in
`face_polygon'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/Surface.rb:107:in<br>
`update_input_object'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/BaseSurface.rb:94:in<br>
`update_input_object'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/interfaces/DrawingInterface.rb:353:in<br>
`on_change_entity'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/observers/FaceObserver.rb:32:in
`onChangeEntity'<br>
C:/Program Files/Google/Google SketchUp<br>
8/Plugins/Trnsys3d/lib/AsynchProc.rb:17:in `initialize'<br>
<br>
<-----End of the error-----><br>
<br>
When I pull it up manual, I don't have any problem, just when
I write<br>
the number.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for your help,<br>
Julia.<br>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:19:58 +0100<br>
Subject: [TRNSYS-users] input file<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi to everybody!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I don’t understand
why, for certain projects, I can’t open the input
file, the message is “the system cannot find the path
specified”.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Where should I
find the input file?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks a lot</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] GenOpt optimization: problem for
the secondgeneration after 5 simulations<br>
This type of error in GenOpt is usually caused by an error in
the TRNSYS<br>
simulation. You need to check the *.lst file for the TRNSYS
run to see<br>
what the TRNSYS error is.<br>
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Dear Alexis,<br>
<br>
I've had a similar error when I used Genopt. I've had
several<br>
components tracked by a "trace" command that made my list
file<br>
enormous (more than 100Mb) and genopt could'nt handle that
amount of<br>
data.<br>
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Just my 2cents.<br>
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