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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>David,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your answer,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In the Window Manager I can change the properties of shading
devices(Transmittance, Reflectance, Absorptance).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What if I neglect the amount of Solar Energy being reflected back
to the shading system from an interior window? Would there be a significant
impact on the thermal behavior of the space?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Secondly, as you say, the mass of the shading device is ignored,
but with the given absorptance it should pass on the energy to the air node of
the space, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>BR,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Florian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#788386'>Energy Department</span><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#788386'>AIT Austrian Institute of Technology </span></b><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Von:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
David BRADLEY [mailto:d.bradley@tess-inc.com] <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 05. Oktober 2010 18:01<br>
<b>An:</b> Stift Florian<br>
<b>Cc:</b> TRNSYS-users<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Simulating a double skin facade with
interior blinds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Florian,<br>
I have spoken to a colleague about writing a model of an operable
shading device that is trapped between two pieces of glass. Neither one of us
is aware of such a model and neither one of us was too confident in the idea of
creating a thermal zone for such a narrow double facade space. TRNBuild/Type56
allows the user to specify an internal shading device on windows (whether
EXTERNAL or ADJACENT) but the mass of the shading device is ignored and the
shading device is assumed to be open to the zone on the inside (ie not trapped
within the two pieces of glass).<br>
Kind regards,<br>
David<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/4/2010 08:16, Stift Florian wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear TRNSYS – Community,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
have a question about simulating a façade system with shading elements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
need to simulate an office room with a double skin façade (not ventilated) with
an interior shading system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The
shading system has a very complex geometry, so which inputs would be needed to
model the shading system, and how does TRNSYS deal with the mass of the blinds,
heating up the space between the glass panes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks
for your help,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#788386'>Energy Department</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:
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