<br>Dear all,<br><br> About TRNFLOW: <span><font size="2" face="Arial">I design a simple air flow Zone, it only has 5 Air Links, one of them is Flow Controller which controls air flow through Window between outside and the Zone. Please tell me: How to design Pollutant Model? It only has CO2 as Pollutant. Especially. about design of the mass balance. CO2 stored, CO2 input, CO2 output</font></span>. If you know, Please tell me step by step in detail! Many thanks!<br>
<br> Br.<br><br>wang<br><br>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Stored variables (C++) (keilholz, werner)<br> 2. Re: TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15 (=?GB2312?B?zfXR8w==?=)<br><br><br>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------<br>From: "keilholz, werner" <<a href="mailto:werner.keilholz@cstb.fr">werner.keilholz@cstb.fr</a>><br>
To: "Carlos Flores | DECCW. Sydney, Australia" <<a href="mailto:cflores@ing.uchile.cl">cflores@ing.uchile.cl</a>><br>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:13:47 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Stored variables (C++)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Carlos, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">You are right that C++ does not have the longest tradition in TRNSYS programming, but the point is, no C++ programmer sane in his mind would <b><u>want</u></b> to use these functions. In C or C++ you can just declare variables at global scope and write the word ‘static’ in front – why would you want to use a sort of user-defined stack for that, keep track of the stack pointer etc. ?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">If you need to store a name in C++ I suppose you would use a string object, and not try to create a Hollerith constant, right? </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">J</span><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">I wrote a complete library of TRNSYS types for process control, data transmission & data base access in C – it was a lot of fun and works fine (say the clients), including the real time part controlling all sort of complicated equipment. So I would say TRNSYS <i>does</i> support C++, but you have to program it in C++, not try mimic what they did in FORTRAN 30 years ago.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Werner</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">De :</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com</a>] <b>De la part de</b> Carlos Flores | DECCW. Sydney, Australia<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 10 août 2010 23:09<br><b>À :</b> keilholz, werner<br><b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</a><br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Stored variables (C++)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey Werner,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:11 PM, keilholz, werner <<a href="mailto:werner.keilholz@cstb.fr" target="_blank">werner.keilholz@cstb.fr</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">Hi Carlos, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang="EN-US">The setStorageVars problem, too, has been encountered before:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu/msg01920.html" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://www.mail-archive.com/trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu/msg01920.html</span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Basically, my recommendation is not to use it in C or C++ - it’s a bit like asking where you can get fresh hay for your car...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Werner</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">De :</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosfloreslenero@gmail.com</a>] <b>De la part de</b> Carlos Flores | DECCW. Sydney, Australia<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 9 août 2010 11:03<br><b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</a><br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [TRNSYS-users] Stored variables (C++)</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have TRNSYS 16 and I am programming a new module using C++. I've had absolutely <b><u>all</u></b> the problems that have been mentioned in the past with regards to stored variables (such as un-updated TRNSYS.h file) and I've solved most of them, but I have been unable to solve one related to pointers. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">For some reason, in TRNSYS.h the functions <b>setStorageVars</b> and <b>setStorageSize</b> need pointer inputs (int*, double*) to work, as opposed to the simple int or double variables used in FORTRAN. I have spent a lot of time and I have not being able to work this through, and I need to fix this within the next few days or it will have consequences on the project deadline =(</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR: #000066">1) Do you have any example (*.ccp) of a module programmed in C++ that uses stored variables?</span></b> That would probably be easiest way to understand how to insert the correct inputs in the <b>setStorageVars</b> function, or</p>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:54:10 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15<br>Dear all,<br><br> About TRNFLOW: <span><font size="2" face="Arial">I design a simple air flow Zone, it only has 5 Air Links, one of them is Flow Controller which controls air flow through Window between outside and the Zone. Please tell me: How to design Pollutant Model? It only has CO2 as Pollutant. Especially. about design of the mass balance. CO2 stored, CO2 input, CO2 output</font></span>. If you know, Please tell me step by step in detail! Many thanks!<br>
<br> Br.<br><br>wang<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2010/8/10 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users-request@cae.wisc.edu</a>></span><br>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. (no subject) (?mit Esiyok)<br> 2. Skyscraper-Energy consumption of the higher levels<br> (Fr?d?ric Oleksandrow)<br> 3. Re: Atrium simulation (Marion Hiller)<br> 4. Surface condensation (<a href="mailto:thiemann.stefan@vdi.de" target="_blank">thiemann.stefan@vdi.de</a>)<br>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:57:24 +0200<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] (no subject)<br>Dear All,<br><br>I am going to simulate a five -storey high Atrium. The roof is fully<br>glazed, I divide the atrium into three Zones but from Archives of TRNSYS<br>
mailing list I saw an E-mail from David, says lowest zone receive no solar<br>radiation. have anyone an experience with Atrium simulation.<br><br>Best Regards<br><br>--<br>Ümit Esiyok<br><br>e-mails: <a href="mailto:umit.esiyok@uni-dortmund.de" target="_blank">umit.esiyok@uni-dortmund.de</a><br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:06:30 +0000<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Skyscraper-Energy consumption of the higher levels<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="NL-BE">I’d like to modelize energy consumption for a skyscraper.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="NL-BE">I assume that energy consumption is not the same at the 1st floor than at the 70th floor.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="NL-BE">How can I take in consideration the wind effects, the stack effect, …for the 70th floor with trnsys ?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang="NL-BE">Thanks to anybody who can help me,</span></font></p>
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To: trnsys-users <<a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a>><br>Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:01:11 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Atrium simulation<br><br>Ümit,<br><br>
For TRNSYS 17, one main focus was the improvement of the simulation of<br>highly glazed<br>large spaces such as multi-story atriums with respect to accuracy, user<br>effort and error-proneness.<br><br>In TRNSYS 17 a zone can have multiple airnodes. The solar (diffuse and<br>
beam) radiation is distributed to all surfaces<br>of all airnodes of the zone. In addition, for external shading factors<br>of solar radiation can be<br>handled automatically. Also, for convex zones the incoming beam<br>radiation can be distributed automatically<br>
depending on the suns position, the external shading and the zone<br>geometry.<br><br>In TRNSYS 16 everything has to be done manually. The atrium has to be<br>divided into three zone separated<br>by so-called fictive windows in order to allow solar radiation<br>
penetration from one zone to another zone.<br>Therefore, for each zone GEOSURF factors for beam radiation have to be<br>defined. There was no control of Diffuse radiation.<br>After the transmission through the second adjacent window all solar<br>
radiation is treated as diffuse radiation.<br>Thus, also the lowest zone receives solar radiation but it is<br>distributed as diffuse radiation.<br><br>For atrium simulation I definitely recommend to use TRNSYS 17.<br><br>
Marion<br><br><br>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>Von: "Ümit Esiyok" [mailto:<a href="mailto:umit.esiyok@uni-dortmund.de" target="_blank">umit.esiyok@uni-dortmund.de</a>]<br>Gesendet: Montag, 9. August 2010 20:57<br>
An: <a href="mailto:trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu" target="_blank">trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu</a><br>Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] (no subject)<br><br>Dear All,<br><br>I am going to simulate a five -storey high Atrium. The roof is fully<br>
glazed, I divide the atrium into three Zones but from Archives of TRNSYS<br>mailing list I saw an E-mail from David, says lowest zone receive no<br>solar radiation. have anyone an experience with Atrium simulation.<br><br>
Best Regards<br><br>--<br>Ümit Esiyok<br><br>e-mails: <a href="mailto:umit.esiyok@uni-dortmund.de" target="_blank">umit.esiyok@uni-dortmund.de</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>TRNSYS-users mailing list<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:46:37 +0200<br>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Surface condensation<br>Hello,<br><br>I have a general queation concerning condensation in Type 56. Does the<br> inside condensation flag for a wall consider condensation due to low<br>
surface temperature when using an active layer for cooling or is it<br> the same condensation flag that is used if saturation of the air int<br> the room is reached?<br><br>Thanks for a short explanation of the condensation model!<br>
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