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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jérémy</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The
heating rate is independent of the time step. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If
you are heating at 10,800 kJ/hr and you are running the system for 0.05 hr (3
minutes) then the aux heater will provide 540kJ per time step. You could also
write the 10,800 kJ/hr as 3 kW or kJ/sec. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>You
are mixing up energy (kJ) and power (kJ/hr).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>A
good way to understand this is by looking at the starting and final temperature
and the mass of the water. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If
you want 60C, start the tank at 40C and observe how long it takes to get the
temperature up to 60C at 10,800kJ/hr. Qdot*t=mcdT, 10,800*t =
m*4.186*(60-40) input the mass of the water, and then solve for time, t. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hope
that helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Fred<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#333333;text-transform:uppercase'>Sustainable Systems Analyst</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Maurel Jeremy
[mailto:Jeremy.Maurel@aldes.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 07, 2010 4:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> trnsys-users@cae.wisc.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TRNSYS-users] storage tank and time step<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
wonder about type 60 (storage tank) and trnsys step time. The tank has a 10800
kJ/hour auxiliary heating and the trnsys time step is 0.05.<br>
The problem is that when the heating is activated it delivers a power of 10800
kj/hour in 0.05 hour that is impossible. Do you know if this problem is
solvable ? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Maurel Jérémy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stagiaire Ingénieur
Recherche</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Research Engineer
Trainee</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://www.aldes.com/">www.aldes.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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