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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Message d'origine ----<BR>De : Fabien Morice <fabien.morice@yahoo.fr><BR>À : hotline <hotline@transsolar.com>; Forum Trnsys <trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu><BR>Envoyé le : Jeudi, 14 Juin 2007, 15h43mn 51s<BR>Objet : [TRNSYS-users] Re : Type 344a : Indoor Swimming Pool<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for your answer.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I need more explains.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">1</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">What do you mean with "very low resistance value" ?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Can you give me a value ?<BR>I don't know what are the differences between a massless layer and a massive layer.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I always work with massive layer !</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Could you explain me ?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">2</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">How do you coupling exchanges ?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">It seems to me I must give 5 inputs to the type 56 :</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- Temperature of pool water</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- Heat flow rate by Convection</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- Heat flow rate by Long-wave radiation</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- Mass flow rate of Evaporation</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- Heat flow rate by Evaporation</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Can you help me for the coupling ?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">3</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I don't know which value to connect to the input 4 of the type 144 (Total Solar Radiation on a Horizontal Surface)</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">In the tutorial, I can read 2 differents things :</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- "The short-wave thermal gain for an indoor pool have to be determined differently. When this Type is combined with type 56, the solar gain striking at the pool surface can be determined and used." (Basic physical principles)</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">- "not used for an indoor pool" (Description of inputs)</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">So, What the solution ?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">4</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">For the input 5 : Temperature of the sky, Is it necessary for an inddor pool ?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">5</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">For the input 7 : Short-wave radiation gain. The tutorial said to use Ntype 21 (QABSI) of the type 56. Do you know how this Ntype is calculated ?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Best regards.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Fabien Morice.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Message d'origine ----<BR>De : hotline <hotline@transsolar.com><BR>À : Fabien Morice <fabien.morice@yahoo.fr><BR>Envoyé le : Jeudi, 14 Juin 2007, 14h42mn 57s<BR>Objet : AW: Type 344a : Indoor Swimming Pool<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=918263512-14062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Fabien,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=918263512-14062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not sure if I understood completely your problem. However I would not model the pool by a zone but </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=918263512-14062007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would try to model the coupling between pool and zone by a massless boundary wall with very low resistance but with coupling temperature of the pool and an air/humidity exchange given by the evaporation mass flow.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=de><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>With kind regards</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=de><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Monika Schulz</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=de dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B> Fabien Morice [mailto:fabien.morice@yahoo.fr] <BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2007 11:00<BR><B>An:</B> hotline; Forum Trnsys<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Type 344a : Indoor Swimming Pool<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Hello everybody,</DIV>
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<DIV>I have bought the type 344 of TRANSSOLAR.</DIV>
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<DIV>In first, I have create a surface of water to consider the exchanges between the pool and the building.</DIV>
<DIV>But the thickness is limited (0.39 [m] otherwise I have an error (creating wall transfert function ...).</DIV>
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<DIV>I would like to know if I must create a zone for the pool in changing the capacitance (water instead of air !).</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks to that, I could create a heating schedule of the water.</DIV>
<DIV>But I don't know how I must declare the surface of exchange between the pool and the building.</DIV>
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<DIV>Anyone knows what I should do ?</DIV>
<DIV>Maybe anyone have an example ?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV><BR>
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