<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thank you, Diego</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I'm interresting by the case 2 : shading from far away objects, overhangs ang wingwalls.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I think you have forgotten to describe connections between the type 109 and the type 67</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I explain you :</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">You give me 3 connections</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I'm agree with you for the 2 first but I don't know where have you found the input " incidence angle of direct radiation" in type 67</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">In more, I think there are more connections than 3 !</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">More far, you give me the same connections between (the type 109 and the type 67) and (the type 67 and the type 34)</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I suppose you have use Copy/Paste.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Can you have a look ?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I'm interresting by details about connections between (the type 109 and the type 67)</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif"> (the type 109 and the type 34)</DIV>
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<DIV id=result_box dir=ltr>Thank you in advance.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Thank you again because thanks to you I have discover a new type (57 = unit conversion routine).</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I suppose you use it to convert pressure [Pa] in [atm].
<DIV id=result_box dir=ltr>Isn't it? </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Fabien Morice.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Message d'origine ----<BR>De : Diego A. Arias <daarias@wisc.edu><BR>À : Fabien Morice <fabien.morice@yahoo.fr><BR>Cc : trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu<BR>Envoyé le : Lundi, 19 Mars 2007, 22h21mn 45s<BR>Objet : Re: [TRNSYS-users] Re : About Shading masks (type 67) and Overhang and wingwalls shading (type 34)<BR><BR>
<DIV>Dear Morice,<BR><BR>I prepared a tutorial on how to connect Type67, 34 and 56.<BR>Go to <BR><A href="http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/downloads/tutorials_and_examples/connecting34_67.pdf" target=_blank>http://sel.me.wisc.edu/trnsys/downloads/tutorials_and_examples/connecting34_67.pdf</A><BR>Please let me know if you have comments about the tutorial.<BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Diego<BR><BR><BR>Fabien Morice wrote:<BR>> Thanks Diego<BR>> But could you tell me more ?<BR>> How can I connect the type 67 with the type 56a ? (Which output)<BR>> And if I want tu use type 67, type 56a and type 34 ?<BR>> Have you an example for me ?<BR>> <BR>> Fabien Morice<BR>><BR>> <BR>> ----- Message d'origine ----<BR>> De : Diego A. Arias <daarias@wisc.edu><BR>> À : Fabien Morice <fabien.morice@yahoo.fr><BR>> Cc : trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu<BR>> Envoyé le : Vendredi, 9 Mars 2007, 17h17mn 11s<BR>> Objet : Re:
[TRNSYS-users] About Shading masks (type 67) and Overhang <BR>> and wingwalls shading (type 34)<BR>><BR>> Hi Fabien,<BR>><BR>> You do not need to use Type34 in combination with Type67. Type 67 was<BR>> created to avoid the problem that you found in the mailing list: having<BR>> to use two instances of Type 68. My answer to Amelie was before Type67<BR>> was available.<BR>> Best regards,<BR>><BR>> Diego<BR>><BR>><BR>> Fabien Morice wrote:<BR>> > Dear TRNSYS users, I have some questions for you :<BR>> > <BR>> > 1°) I try to use the type 67 with the type 56a (Multizone Building).<BR>> > But, it seems to me that I *_must_* used the type 34 in<BR>> > complement.<BR>> > [Output 11 of type 34 (Fraction of solar shading) ---> Input<BR>> > of type
56a (created by me to used in Input of External Shading Factor)]<BR>> > because the type 67 gives me 2 outputs (among 11) :<BR>> > [Output 7 of type 67 (Fraction of beam visible on horizontal<BR>> > for mask) ---> ?<BR>> > [Output 9 of type 67 (Fraction of diffuse visible on<BR>> > horizontal for mask) ---> ?<BR>> > that I don't know used with the type 56a directly.<BR>> > 2°) I have read the files of the forum and I try the solution<BR>> > proposed by Diego (Wed Oct 26 2005) to Amelie Mariller<BR>> > who recommend to use two type 68 (one horizontal and one<BR>> > vertical) with each type 34.<BR>>
> So, I have created two files in ".dat" :<BR>> > the first with a slope of 0°<BR>> > and the second with a slope of 90°.<BR>> > The two files dividing the same others informations.<BR>> > But I have the message : Error "Unable to read mask file,<BR>> > please check file syntax and format." when I launch the calculs.<BR>> > <BR>> > 3°) So, I use only one type 68 with one type 34 :<BR>> > <BR>> > [Output 3 of type 67 Shaded beam radiation for surface ---><BR>> > Input 5 of type 34 (Beam radiation on surface)]<BR>>
> [Output 10 of type 67 Shaded diffuse radiation on horizontal<BR>> > for mask ---> Input 4 of type 34 (Horizontal diffuse radiation)]<BR>> > [Output 11 of type 67 Shaded total radiation on horizontal for<BR>> > mask ---> Input 3 of type 34 (Total horizontal radiation)]<BR>> > <BR>> > Parameter 1 of type 34 Upstream component mode = 1 and not 0<BR>> > <BR>> > In more, I use two Equations :<BR>> > <BR>> > a) Equation 1 :<BR>> > <BR>> > Sky diffuse radiation on titled surface i (Output of<BR>> > type
109)<BR>> > +<BR>> > Groung reflected diffuse radiation on titled surface i<BR>> > (Output of type 109)<BR>> > =<BR>> > Diffuse radiation for opening (Input 6 of type 67)<BR>> > <BR>>
> b) Equation 2 :<BR>> > <BR>> > Sky diffuse radiation on horizontal<BR>> > +<BR>> > Groung reflected diffuse radiation on horizontal<BR>> > =<BR>>
> Diffuse radiation on horizontal (Input 4 of type 69b<BR>> > and Input 4 of type 67)<BR>> > <BR>> > After simulation, I have controlled the five View factor<BR>> > (Outputs 6,7,8,9,10 of type 34) by Online plotter (type 65d)<BR>> > and I'm surprise because the sum is not equal to 1 !<BR>> > But if I change : <BR>> > Parameter 1 of type 34 Upstream component mode = 0 and not 1<BR>> > the sum is correct.<BR>> > <BR>> > * Anyone knows what I should do? Thanks.*<BR>> >
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