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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A brief summary on LCD vs CRT output can be found
here: <A
href="http://www.eu-energystar.org/en/en_023.htm">http://www.eu-energystar.org/en/en_023.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One interesting study from LBNL: <A
href="http://repositories.cdlib.org/lbnl/LBNL-50508/">http://repositories.cdlib.org/lbnl/LBNL-50508/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You'll find stuff on LCDs vs CRTs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope this helps,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Denis Bourgeois<BR>École d'architecture, Université
Laval<BR>(418) 686-0695 ou<BR>(418) 656-2131, poste 7489 (local 1206)<BR><A
href="mailto:denis.bourgeois@arc.ulaval.ca">denis.bourgeois@arc.ulaval.ca</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Hilde.Breesch@UGent.be href="mailto:Hilde.Breesch@UGent.be">Hilde
Breesch</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=P.Filippi@niering.it
href="mailto:P.Filippi@niering.it">Pietro Filippi</A> ; <A
title=trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu
href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2005 7:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TRNSYS-users] urgent: PC
gain!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Pietro,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Most of the time I use the measured data for
computers, monitors, printers and photocopiers from Wilkins and Hosni ,
published in ASHRAE journal 42 (6), 2000 (in attachment). But I don't know if
they have measured LCD monitors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hilde Breesch<BR>PhD student Buildings &
Climatic Control<BR>Department of Architecture & Urban Planning<BR>Ghent
University<BR>J. Plateaustraat 22, B-9000 GENT<BR>tel. +32 9 264 78 61
fax. +32 9 264 41 85<BR>e-mail: <A
href="mailto:Hilde.Breesch@UGent.be">Hilde.Breesch@UGent.be</A><BR><A
href="http://allserv.ugent.be/~hbreesch/research">http://allserv.ugent.be/~hbreesch/research</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=P.Filippi@niering.it href="mailto:P.Filippi@niering.it">Pietro
Filippi</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu
href="mailto:trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu">trnsys-users@engr.wisc.edu</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=esp-r@strath.ac.uk
href="mailto:esp-r@strath.ac.uk">esp-r@strath.ac.uk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 28, 2005 1:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [TRNSYS-users] urgent: PC
gain!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>hi to
all!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>I urgently need
to know what internal gain assign for PC. We know new computers are much
more powerful (as processor) and new LCD monitors "sucks" few
electricity.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>En example (from
tech data on their back):</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>traditional
monitor: 220V x 2.5A = 625We</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>LCD monitor:
220V x 1.5A = 330We (but a shop catalogue gives 40-50W power consumption for
a similar LCD!..).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>(an LCD is
approximately 50% saving...right? but if I touch a traditional monitor I
feel it is actually pretty warm while the LCD one is at ambient temperature!
It would seem less than -50% consuming (as thermal gain I mean...). And in
any case the electricity charge it is not totally dissipated in
heat...)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>...so can
anybody tell me an average reasonable thermal dissipation? for LCD monitor
and PC?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>thanks in
advance</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005>Pietro</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=943301810-28012005><FONT face=Arial
size=2>PS</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>well, according
to the following report found on internet (from CERN in
Switzerland)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005><A
href="https://webh01.cern.ch/it-support-mrp/B513_Upgrade/reviewoct2002/pc_power_consumption.doc">https://webh01.cern.ch/it-support-mrp/B513_Upgrade/reviewoct2002/pc_power_consumption.doc</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=943301810-28012005>but getting the
total consumption and dissipation from it is not
clear...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
class=943301810-28012005><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"
align=center><B><U><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"></SPAN></U></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"
align=center><B><U><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">PC power
consumption<o:p></o:p></SPAN></U></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"
align=center><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Bernd
Panzer-Steindel, CERN/IT/ADC</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"
align=center><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>30.07.2002</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Power supply efficiency is
about 70 % ==<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>70
W effective power needs 100 W input power</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Mainboard + power supply +
harddisk under load consume on a dual cpu board</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(PIII 1 GHz) up to 100 W more (variation of up to 30 % depended on
the motherboard<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>and power supply) </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The latest dual cpu Itanium
2 box from HP requires<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>about
700 Watts of input power</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Ratio of SpecInt95 versus
SpecInt2000 is about 0.1<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1
SpecInt95 = 10 SpecInt2000</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Disk power consumption is
about 10 W at idle time and 30 W at startup<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(120 GB EIDE
disk)</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Estimated needs for LHC
computing in 2007 is<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>2.3 million<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>SpecInt95
and 3100 TB</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN
style="mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">ŕ</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>at a ratio of<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>10 SpecInt2000 / Watt<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>==<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>2.3 MW power for the CPU
server</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN
lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN
style="mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">ŕ</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>with 1 TB disks at 30 W<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>==<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>0.1
MW</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>but
scaling not yet really checked<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>current<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>GB/W
curve</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm" type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>PIII<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Northwood (0.18 um)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>256 KB L2<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>== 28 million transistors</FONT></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>PIII<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Willamette
(0.13 um)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>256 KB L2<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>== 28 million transistors</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>PIV<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(0.18 um)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>256 KB L2<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>==<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>42 million
transistors</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>PIV<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(0.13 um)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>512 KB L2<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>==<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>55 million
transistors</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Itanium 2<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Mcinley (0.18
um) 256 KB L2 + 3 MB L3<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>==<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>220 million
transistors</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-GB><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Itanium 2<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maddison (0.13
um) 256 KB L2 + 6 MB L3<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>==<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>500 million
transistors</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(L3 on chip !) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN
style="mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">ŕ</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-GB><FONT face="Times New Roman"> power</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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