[TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Sales -> Is there a final version for 2019-II?

Wed Mar 25 03:29:17 PDT 2020

Ups, wrong email adress

Sorry,

Marion

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Von: TRNSYS-users <trnsys-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> Im Auftrag von Marion Hiller via TRNSYS-users
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 11:09
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Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] TRNSYS Sales -> Is there a final version for 2019-II?

Dave,

I hope you all are doing well.
This morning I'm trying to shorten my open issue list. I wonder if you have send already the final version for 2019-II?

Best,

Marion

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Von: TRNSYS-users <trnsys-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:trnsys-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>> Im Auftrag von David BRADLEY via TRNSYS-users
Gesendet: Montag, 23. März 2020 13:43
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Cc: David BRADLEY <d.bradley at tess-inc.com<mailto:d.bradley at tess-inc.com>>
Betreff: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Floor Heating - Trnsys3D

Hoofar,

  If you click on the "Geometry Modes" button in a given zone you can switch one or more zones to "manual mode." This allows you to create the geometry in Trnsys3d but then autosegment the floors of a particular zone afterwards. The disadvantage, of course, is that once you switch a zone to manual mode you cannot then go back and edit the building geometry in Trnsys3D.

  If you do not want to switch to manual mode then here are some responses to your questions:

1) How should be the surfaces split in Trnsys3D? Have I used the right approach?

I believe that what you've done is reasonable. The autosegment feature puts a number of smaller floor areas in series.

2) How can they be manually connected?  (when the Autosegmentation is done, surfaces are automatically connected in series with automatic inlet temperature and the same inlet flow rate)

I think you will need to do this by adding outputs and inputs to your Type56 model. The connections will need to be done outside of Type56 in the Simulation Studio.

3) After splitting the floors, which output shows the overall heat transfer to the zone and which one shows the final outlet fluid temperature?

I think that for the overall heat transfer to the zone you'll need to sum up a number of Type556 outputs. The overall heat transfer to the zone will be the sum of the heat transfer to the zone from each individual floor piece. The final outlet temperature will depend upon the order in which you connect the floors to one another in the Simulation Studio. I'd suggest using the surface IDs that TRNBuild assigns and drawing a picture so that you can keep all the connections straight.

4) What should be the standard number of fluid loops per square meter?

There is an equation in the TRNBuild/Type56 manual that suggests a way of computing the number of loops based on how long you want each individual pipe to be.

kind regards,
 David

On 03/21/2020 11:38, Hemmatabady, Hoofar via TRNSYS-users wrote:
Hello,

I am working on a project on heating a house with a heat pump. I designed a Trnsys3D model of the house, which I need to implement a floor heating system on it. After adding an active layer in TRNbuild, got the error "Specific fluid mass flow of active layer in surface  16 below minimum value of 2.96 kg/m2h Please, increase the minimum mass flow rate or use the autosegmentation feature of TRNBuild for subdividing the surface.".

As I have a 3d model, the Autosegmentation is not possible. Therefore, following TRNbuild documentation "For airnodes with 3D geometric information the splitting of surfaces have to be done in Trnsys3D and then manually connected",  I split my floors (in Sketchup) into 20 equal surfaces using parallel lines and imported my 3d model back to TRNbuild.

Here are my questions:

1) How should be the surfaces split in Trnsys3D? Have I used the right approach?
2) How can they be manually connected?  (when the Autosegmentation is done, surfaces are automatically connected in series with automatic inlet temperature and the same inlet flow rate)
3) After splitting the floors, which output shows the overall heat transfer to the zone and which one shows the final outlet fluid temperature?
4) What should be the standard number of fluid loops per square meter?

Best regards
Hoofar Hemmatabady

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