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<p dir="ltr">Catalina,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I agree with Bill's response, and would add that you need to make sure you account for the mass of the wall. If you just enter an R-value then Trace does not account for the mass. Look at some other defult block walls in Trace for an example.
The mass does not change the ultimate U-value, but it will change the load profile due to thermal lag.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Scott</p>
<div class="quote">On Oct 21, 2014 7:11 PM, "Bishop, Bill" <bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Catalina,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My interpretation is that the correct ASHRAE 90.1 table for your wall is Table A3.1C. An 8” CB wall, density 115 lb/ft<sup>3</sup>, with insulated, unreinforced cells (none are grouted) gives U-0.21. The R-7.5
that is highlighted in Table A3.1A below is for continuous insulation (per A3.1.2.2), which you do not have. Per A3.1.1, the U-factors in the tables already include R-0.17 and R-0.68 for exterior and interior wall films. Potentially, you could add R-0.56 for
the gyp wall to R<sub>u</sub>-4.78 for the Table A3.1C block wall assembly, and get R<sub>eff</sub>-5.34, for an assembly U-0.187. Your TRACE wall construction shown below needs to be modified by changing R-8 CMU to R-3.672 (subtracting your surface resistances
= 4.78-.333-.685) and you would have to justify the air gap value or delete it as well.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Bill</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Trace-users [mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Caballero, Catalina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Trace-users] Metal framing in concrete block wall (how to model correctly for LEED)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning experts,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a question, we have received a comment from a LEED reviewer requesting for the following information:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Table 1.4 of the template appears to indicate that all the assembly U-value for the exterior walls in the Proposed model may not account for the thermal breaks due to the steel-framing portion of the construction assembly. Each construction
assembly U-value is not a direct inverse of the insulation R-value for that construction assembly. The R-value of the insulation located between the steel framing must be de-rated when determining the assembly U-value for the exterior wall assembly to account
for the reduced thermal resistance of the metal framing components. Revise the Proposed model, as needed, so that all components of the exterior wall construction assembly are accounted for when calculating the assembly U-value for assembly type in the actual
design. In addition, update Table 1.4 reflecting the changes. Refer to Table A3.3 in ASHRAE Standard 90.1-2004 for additional guidance regarding how to de-rate the R-value for insulation located between steel framing assemblies.</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have the following wall composition in the project:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">And we are using the following assembly value: U-0.125 (= R8 Assembly) based on table A3.1A .</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><img border="0" width="683" height="118" id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image017.jpg@01CFED40.CA9891C0"></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However since this table in my understanding is only accounting for the
<b><u>concrete block, the insulation and the metal framing</u></b>, I have added the
<b>5/8” gypsum board (layer 1)</b> and the <b>5/8” hardie board (layer 7)</b> to the modeled assembly as below.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you think the reviewer would object in any of this process? Or do you consider it should be done differently?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your answers, greatly appreciated.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i> </i></p>
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