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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Catalina,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Not sure I fully understand your question. Trace should show the fan sizing equal to the airflow scheduled on the construction document plans. You can see this airflow (CFM) on the Equipment Energy Consumption
Report. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Using my previous example that was 31% oversized on airflow versus the block load<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">15,000 CFM - Air handler schedule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">15,000 CFM – Trace Equipment Energy Consumption Report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">11,453 CFM – Block load calculated by Trace before fan block airflow was oversized<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This oversizing will show savings and will be acceptable to the LEED reviewer. In this particular case the supply fan energy use was reduced from:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">29,498 kWh/yr to 27,396 kWh/yr (~7% savings on fan power). This is based on using the same kW/CFM for fan power input in each case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> Caballero, Catalina [mailto:ccaballero@jalrw.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Caballero, Catalina; Scott Parker; 'Dahlstrom, Aaron'; 'Craig Gann'; 'Steve Jacobs'; 'trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED - FieldNote:00028:ieOVB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Alright,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">So I have a question. When I input the airflow as explained but the capacity of the equipment comes up to be around 17% above of the original scheduled capacity. Would it raise a flag to the reviewer even though
I’m getting 27% of energy savings even though this unit is oversized by 17% and the software is accounting for it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Caballero, Catalina
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Great,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">This really worked!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#17365D">Thanks Scott.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">On the issue of fan sizing, here is what I have observed:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:#1F497D">There are two ways to oversize (or undersize) the air handler to match the installed capacity.<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Input airflow under block cooling airflow: Create Systems
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">à</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> Advanced<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Input coil capacity percentage with Capacity Units of “% of design capacity by adjusting airflow”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Both of these do indeed make the unit larger, and they do this by increasing the airflow for each room by a proportional amount. This gets the fan the right size, but adds extra capacity on a room basis that
does not exist. Then Trace uses this extra capacity in the hourly analysis. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Actual numbers from one air handler on a current project:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">No oversizing:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Block CFM = 11,453 CFM (from Load-Airflow Summary report)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Sum of Peaks = 11,469 CFM (from Load-Airflow Summary report)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Fan size = 11,453 CFM (Equipment Energy Consumption Report)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><b><span style="color:#1F497D">Peak hourly airflow = 10,570 CFM (from Visualizer)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Manually input block airflow to match scheduled capacity:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Block CFM = 15,000 CFM (from Load-Airflow Summary report) – manually input<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Sum of Peaks = 15,000 CFM (from Load-Airflow Summary report)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">Fan size = 15,000 CFM (Equipment Energy Consumption Report)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><b><span style="color:#1F497D">Peak hourly airflow = 11,469 CFM (from Visualizer)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">When I manually input the block airflow it did increase the fan size, but when looking at the hourly results the actual hourly airflows increased as well since each room was given a proportional increase in CFM
capacity to get to the right unit capacity. This extra capacity would be used for periods when the load exceeds the actual capacity for a short duration: cool down or when OA conditions are more extreme than used for the load calculation (design weather <>
hourly weather data). Thus you cannot set the unit capacity separate from the room capacity in Trace (as far as I can tell). This partly solves the problem of getting the fan the right size, but the added capacity can have an unintended impact of cooling
energy use or on fan power by allowing the room by room airflow to be higher than the actual system.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:#1F497D">The overall impact of the consequences of oversizing each room may not be significant, but you can run the model with and without a manual input for fan block airflow and see the impact on cooling, heating
and fan power.</span></u></b><span style="color:#1F497D"> This does allow you to exactly match the unit CFM in Trace model which should keep the LEED reviewer happy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">See below for screen shots of inputs (for oversized system) and Equipment Energy Consumption Report excerpt for oversized and non-oversized air handler in Trace. It does show the expected fan power savings for
the oversized fan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Craig Gann; Scott Parker; Steve Jacobs; 'Caballero, Catalina'; <a href="mailto:trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org">
trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Scott/Craig –
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">I have two ideas that might help get a workaround – it may not work on every system type, but it did on a FPVAV system I just experimented with:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">To address Scott’s issue re: a the difference between block load and sum of peak zone CFMs, Trace offers an option to size the fan (and/or the main cooling coil) based on the sum of the peak airflows, rather
than the block airflow. On the “Create Systems” dialog, “Advanced…” button there are fields that allow you to modify the parameter used to determine the fan size and the coil size (as below). Changing these from “block” to “peak” changed the flow of the “Tutorialtrc.trc”
file from 16160 cfm sum of peaks / 13778 block cfm to 16160 sum of peaks / 16160 block CFM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:windowtext">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">On the Create Systems – Heating and Cooling Over-rides tab, the main cooling coil can be oversized by a specific percentage “by adjusting airflow.” I believe this would allow you to maintain the same discharge
air temp and modify the system airflow as desired. It may not offer unconstrained combinations of leaving air temp, coil capacity, and system airflow, since Trace is auto calculating entering air conditions, but it may offer you an additional degree of freedom
to get close at the system level:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><img border="0" width="480" height="343" id="_x0000_i1037" src="cid:image009.jpg@01CFE859.87166940"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">There may be unexpected consequences that make these ideas less than the best for your specific situations – but it seems like I’m able (at least in this case) to get the fan CFM to match
the scheduled CFM, even if the load calc block load would show a different total CFM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:windowtext">Hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Gann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott Parker; Steve Jacobs; 'Caballero, Catalina'; <a href="mailto:trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org">
trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I communicated with CDS about this a couple of months ago. It's a royal pain in the @#$ to do this! What you have to do is go to the rooms and manually enter the CFM for each room such that it totals up to the
desired CFM at the system level. This means you have to first figure out which rooms are assigned to each system then figure out how much to change each room CFM such that it totals to what you want then print out the calculated room CFM values. Not easy if
you have hundreds of rooms. I wound up putting it all in Excel so I could figure out a room CFM multiplier that changed each room CFM by the percentage needed. It took me a half day to mess with this and is a major deficiency in the Trace software IMHO.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Craig J. Gann, P.E.; LEED AP<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/7/2014 11:18 AM, Scott Parker wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I agree that the proposed system model should have the same capacity as the actual equipment. However, the challenge is that when you fix the leaving air temperature of the air handler (which matches typical
design) then Trace does not allow any method for fixing the air handler CFM capacity.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color:#1F497D">For example, below I have just listed some numbers for reference to illustrate the point:</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sum of Peaks = 19,458 CFM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Block load = 18,902 CFM (actual maximum hourly airflow in Trace will typically be even less than this value)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">AHU size = 20,000 CFM (scheduled on plans)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">AHU size in trace = block load (18,902 CFM) – no way to force it to be 20,000 CFM.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Therefore, when the air handler (in Trace) is at 18,902 CFM it is at peak fan power (i.e. top of fan curve). However, it actually is already part way down the true fan curve since the unit is scheduled for 20,000
CFM. If you use the theoretical fan laws, then the fan power at 18,902 CFM is 84% of the scheduled break horsepower - (18,902/20,000)^3 = 0.84 -- even though the fan is operating at 94.5% of peak fan power.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If anyone has a work around for this I would like to hear it. For me I have had to manually change the kW/CFM value to match the actual scheduled fan at the block airflow calculated in Trace.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Jacobs<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Caballero, Catalina'; <a href="mailto:trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Your proposed inputs need to match what is actually being installed in the building. If they are installing oversized equipment, you need to model oversized equipment. The model will account for part load efficiencies.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org">trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello experts,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We <span style="font-size:10.0pt">recently received comments back from LEED and one of the comments says the following:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">It appears the equipment capacities (fan volume, fan power, cooling capacity, etc.) for the HVAC systems in the Proposed model</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">are inconsistent with the equipment capacities in the actual design when comparing the LEED Energy Performance Summary Report</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">to the mechanical schedules provided for PIf4: Schedule and Overview Documents</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">G3.1.10 in the Proposed building column requires that the Proposed model reflect all HVAC systems at actual equipment capacities</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">and efficiencies. The HVAC equipment capacities cannot be autosized in the Proposed model. Revise the Proposed model to reflect</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">all HVAC systems at actual equipment capacities. In addition, update Table 1.4.7B, and provide a revised LEED Energy Performance</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">Summary Report and the System Enterd Values reports for the Proposed model reflecting the changes. Further, if the equipment</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">capacities and efficiencies are based on updated mechanical schedules and/or HVAC submittal sheets, provide the updated</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444">mechanical schedules and/or HVAC submittal sheets.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:red">The only question that I have is why would they require for the airflows, to be exactly the same, to the original load calculations when the load calculations looks for the worst case scenario (using ashrae basic
envelope, lighting, values), while the energy model looks for the most energy efficient model (actual installed envelope, occupancy, etc). It make sense that they are looking for something similar but it’s definitely not going to match the capacities and or
airflows, (load calcs tend to be oversized).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would greatly appreciate your opinion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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