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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#17365D'>Greg, did your project pass? It’s been a headache so far to solve this item.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#17365D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#17365D'>Thanks for all the input so far everyone!, It you have additional suggestions let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#17365D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#17365D'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#17365D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Catalina Caballero</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>. AIA. 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Scott Parker; Steve Jacobs; Caballero, Catalina; trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I communicated with CDS about this a couple of months ago. It's a royal pain in the @#$ to do this! What you have to do is go to the rooms and manually enter the CFM for each room such that it totals up to the desired CFM at the system level. This means you have to first figure out which rooms are assigned to each system then figure out how much to change each room CFM such that it totals to what you want then print out the calculated room CFM values. Not easy if you have hundreds of rooms. I wound up putting it all in Excel so I could figure out a room CFM multiplier that changed each room CFM by the percentage needed. It took me a half day to mess with this and is a major deficiency in the Trace software IMHO.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Craig J. Gann, P.E.; LEED AP<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/7/2014 11:18 AM, Scott Parker wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I agree that the proposed system model should have the same capacity as the actual equipment. However, the challenge is that when you fix the leaving air temperature of the air handler (which matches typical design) then Trace does not allow any method for fixing the air handler CFM capacity. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='color:#1F497D'>For example, below I have just listed some numbers for reference to illustrate the point:</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Sum of Peaks = 19,458 CFM</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Block load = 18,902 CFM (actual maximum hourly airflow in Trace will typically be even less than this value)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>AHU size = 20,000 CFM (scheduled on plans)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>AHU size in trace = block load (18,902 CFM) – no way to force it to be 20,000 CFM.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Therefore, when the air handler (in Trace) is at 18,902 CFM it is at peak fan power (i.e. top of fan curve). However, it actually is already part way down the true fan curve since the unit is scheduled for 20,000 CFM. If you use the theoretical fan laws, then the fan power at 18,902 CFM is 84% of the scheduled break horsepower - (18,902/20,000)^3 = 0.84 -- even though the fan is operating at 94.5% of peak fan power.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If anyone has a work around for this I would like to hear it. For me I have had to manually change the kW/CFM value to match the actual scheduled fan at the block airflow calculated in Trace.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width=474 style='width:355.5pt'><tr><td width=167 valign=top style='width:125.25pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:105%'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#660000;text-transform:uppercase'>Scott Parker</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#333333'> PE<br>LEED AP BD+C <br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:105%;color:black;text-transform:uppercase'>Mechanical</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=10 valign=top style='width:7.5pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:105%'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=283 valign=top style='width:212.25pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:105%'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#660000'>AEI</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#333333'> | AFFILIATED ENGINEERS, INC. <br>1414 Raleigh Road, Suite 305 | Chapel Hill, NC 27517<br><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#660000'>P: 919.419.9802 | F: 919.419.9803</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#333333'> <br></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%'><a href="mailto:sparker@aeieng.com"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#660000;text-decoration:none'>sparker@aeieng.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#660000'> | </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:105%'><a href="http://www.aeieng.com/"><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#660000;text-decoration:none'>www.aeieng.com</span></b></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Trace-users [<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Jacobs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Caballero, Catalina'; <a href="mailto:trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org">trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Your proposed inputs need to match what is actually being installed in the building. If they are installing oversized equipment, you need to model oversized equipment. The model will account for part load efficiencies. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Steve</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Trace-users [<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Caballero, Catalina<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org">trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Trace-users] Load Calcs vs Energy Model for LEED</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello experts,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We <span style='font-size:10.0pt'>recently received comments back from LEED and one of the comments says the following: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>It appears the equipment capacities (fan volume, fan power, cooling capacity, etc.) for the HVAC systems in the Proposed model</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>are inconsistent with the equipment capacities in the actual design when comparing the LEED Energy Performance Summary Report</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>to the mechanical schedules provided for PIf4: Schedule and Overview Documents</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>G3.1.10 in the Proposed building column requires that the Proposed model reflect all HVAC systems at actual equipment capacities</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>and efficiencies. The HVAC equipment capacities cannot be autosized in the Proposed model. Revise the Proposed model to reflect</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>all HVAC systems at actual equipment capacities. In addition, update Table 1.4.7B, and provide a revised LEED Energy Performance</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>Summary Report and the System Enterd Values reports for the Proposed model reflecting the changes. Further, if the equipment</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>capacities and efficiencies are based on updated mechanical schedules and/or HVAC submittal sheets, provide the updated</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'>mechanical schedules and/or HVAC submittal sheets.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#444444'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'>The only question that I have is why would they require for the airflows, to be exactly the same, to the original load calculations when the load calculations looks for the worst case scenario (using ashrae basic envelope, lighting, values), while the energy model looks for the most energy efficient model (actual installed envelope, occupancy, etc). It make sense that they are looking for something similar but it’s definitely not going to match the capacities and or airflows, (load calcs tend to be oversized).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:red'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would greatly appreciate your opinion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Catalina Caballero</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>. AIA. 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