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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Posting this back to the list as there may be other listeners who find it valuable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron Dahlstrom, PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d: 215-282-6753| m: 267-507-5470| In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF: 212-354-5656</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e: ADahlstrom@in-posse.com | in posse web:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Joe Chappell [mailto:JoeC@designengineers.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 5:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Sturm, Eric'; Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks, Eric and Aaron, for all of the information and the prompt responses. I’m glad to have solid information to know the best possible approach to take with my configuration.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Sturm, Eric [<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com">mailto:esturm@trane.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 4:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Chappell<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">With geothermal loops, you’ll have to use the weighted average approach or some other equivalent if required by an authoritative body.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Eric Sturm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Applications Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Trane Commercial Systems</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ingersoll Rand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3600 Pammel Creek Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">La Crosse, WI 54601</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Office: +1.608.787.3736</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dahlstrom, Aaron [<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 4:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sturm, Eric<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:JoeC@designengineers.com">JoeC@designengineers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Great. I’m not familiar with plant sequencing so I appreciate your help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So our best bet for a geothermal design with multiple styles (read EERs) of geothermal heat pumps is to input one cooling plant, one piece of equipment, and conduct a weighted average (by ton-hour) of the
load handled by each distinct style, then enter that as a blended EER for our one piece of cooling equipment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Aaron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron Dahlstrom, PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">In P</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#619428">o</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">sse</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
– </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">A subsidiary of</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CC0000">AKF</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">| 1500 Walnut Street, Suite 1414, Philadelphia,
PA 19102 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d: 215-282-6753| m: 267-507-5470| In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF: 212-354-5656</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e:
<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a> | in posse web:
<a href="http://www.in-posse.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.in-posse.com</span></a> | akf web:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="www.AKFGroup.com"><span style="color:blue">www.AKFGroup.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Sturm, Eric [<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com">mailto:esturm@trane.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 5:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:JoeC@designengineers.com">JoeC@designengineers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Aaron,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">You can do exactly what you want, if you’re not simulating a geothermal field. You would have individual plants and assign the respective system coils to those plants. But,
when you add a geothermal field into the mix, everything must be constrained to a single cooling plant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I’ve been following this list since its inception and when I was program manager for TRACE 700. It’s important that our users have accurate information.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Eric Sturm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Applications Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Trane Commercial Systems</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ingersoll Rand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3600 Pammel Creek Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">La Crosse, WI 54601</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Office: +1.608.787.3736</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com"><span style="color:black">esturm@trane.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dahlstrom, Aaron [<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 3:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sturm, Eric<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:JoeC@designengineers.com">JoeC@designengineers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Again, helpful, Eric.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This directly applies to the other project I’m working through.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">There is no sequencing that allows me to isolate the load from a specific system to a specific piece of cooling equipment, correct?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ie what I’d like to do is have Heat Pump A with EER_A associated with thermal loads from System_A, and Heat Pump B with EER_B associated with thermal loads from System_B. I believe this is not possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Can you confirm?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thank you!!! (glad you monitor this list.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron Dahlstrom, PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">In P</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#619428">o</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">sse</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CC0000">AKF</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">| 1500 Walnut Street, Suite 1414, Philadelphia,
PA 19102 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d: 215-282-6753| m: 267-507-5470| In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF: 212-354-5656</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e:
<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a> | in posse web:
<a href="http://www.in-posse.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.in-posse.com</span></a> | akf web:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="www.AKFGroup.com"><span style="color:blue">www.AKFGroup.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Sturm, Eric [<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com">mailto:esturm@trane.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 4:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:JoeC@designengineers.com">JoeC@designengineers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Aaron and Joe,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To be clear, you can only attach a single field and cooling plant together. But, you could have multiple pieces of equipment in a single cooling plant. This cooling plant
could have a single geothermal field. It would look something like this on the Configuration screen:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="222" height="103" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CEB878.2CC5A620"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">You’d want to create each equipment type and assign a capacity and energy rate, and then adjust the sequencing. The trouble is, if you change the sequencing to parallel, each
piece of equipment will load equally. You wouldn’t see variation between pieces of equipment throughout the day because they will split the incoming coil loads.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Eric Sturm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Applications Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Trane Commercial Systems</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ingersoll Rand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3600 Pammel Creek Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">La Crosse, WI 54601</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Email:
<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com"><span style="color:black">esturm@trane.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Website:
<u><a href="http://www.trane.com">www.trane.com</a></u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Dahlstrom, Aaron [<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dahlstrom, Aaron; Sturm, Eric<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:JoeC@designengineers.com">JoeC@designengineers.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Eric – one followup question.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Is it possible to attach multiple cooling plants to the same field?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">My understanding is no, but thought it worth it to confirm.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Aaron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron Dahlstrom, PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">In P</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#619428">o</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">sse</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
– </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">A subsidiary of</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CC0000">AKF</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">| 1500 Walnut Street, Suite 1414, Philadelphia,
PA 19102 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d: 215-282-6753| m: 267-507-5470| In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF: 212-354-5656</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e:
<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a> | in posse web:
<a href="http://www.in-posse.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.in-posse.com</span></a> | akf web:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="www.AKFGroup.com"><span style="color:blue">www.AKFGroup.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sturm, Eric<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Trace-users] GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Right on, thanks Eric.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron Dahlstrom, PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">In P</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#619428">o</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">sse</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
– </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">A subsidiary of</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CC0000">AKF</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">| 1500 Walnut Street, Suite 1414, Philadelphia,
PA 19102 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d: 215-282-6753| m: 267-507-5470| In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF: 212-354-5656</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e:
<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a> | in posse web:
<a href="http://www.in-posse.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.in-posse.com</span></a> | akf web:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="www.AKFGroup.com"><span style="color:blue">www.AKFGroup.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:gray"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Sturm, Eric [<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com">mailto:esturm@trane.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 4:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Chappell; 'trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Aaron,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To clear up any confusion, I’d like to comment on your statement on the usage of geothermal plants and TRACE 700 files. TRACE is currently capable of modeling
<i>one</i> geothermal field (as defined in the Geothermal Loop section of Plant Controls)
<i>per alternative</i>. Trane Customer Direct Services can help with modeling questions or capabilities questions. The support center can be reached at 608-787-3926, option 1 or
<a href="mailto:cdshelp@trane.com">cdshelp@trane.com</a>. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Eric Sturm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Applications Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Trane Commercial Systems</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ingersoll Rand</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">3600 Pammel Creek Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">La Crosse, WI 54601</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Email:
<a href="mailto:esturm@trane.com"><span style="color:black">esturm@trane.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Website:
<u><a href="http://www.trane.com">www.trane.com</a></u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 1:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Joe Chappell; 'trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Trace-users] GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joe – </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The information I have heard (from this list serv, help files, and Trane Trace) has indicated that Trace can only model one geothermal plant per TRC file.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">That said, I see nothing that would prohibit you from setting up multiple systems that all reference a common plant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">However, there will be a single “compressor” modeled.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Not sure if this is a LEED model – if so, per a recent LEED review we received, GBCI has requested us to –either– use the minimum EER / COP of all relevant heat pumps as the EER/COP entered into Trace, or
to conduct averaging based on the ton-hours (eg capacity, quantity, hours of operation) of each system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Aaron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron Dahlstrom, PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">In P</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#619428">o</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk BT","sans-serif";color:#17365D">sse</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
– </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">A subsidiary of</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CC0000">AKF</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">| 1500 Walnut Street, Suite 1414, Philadelphia,
PA 19102 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d: 215-282-6753| m: 267-507-5470| In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF: 212-354-5656</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e:
<a href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a> | in posse web:
<a href="http://www.in-posse.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.in-posse.com</span></a> | akf web:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="www.AKFGroup.com"><span style="color:blue">www.AKFGroup.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:gray"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:trace-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Chappell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2013 2:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'trace-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Trace-users] GSHPs in Trace 700</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am currently attempting to model several ground source heat pump systems on a single ground loop all in the same cooling plant. Two of the ground source heat pumps have energy recovery and two do not. In my analysis reports I am only
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