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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hello Nicholas,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks for your detailed reply.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I have changed the chilled water loop to 2-pipe loop and changed the chiller type to "Heat Pump" as shown below but when I run the simulation I don't get in the summary report electric consumption for the space heating. I get only for the space cooling electric consumption. Could you or any body else in this forum help me out? I am stuck with this problem and can't complete my project.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I have also attached to this email the .pd2 and .inp files</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><img title="Inline image" alt="Inline image" src="cid:90d8346a-4666-b164-859f-20a9bac6c3e0@yahoo.com" class="yahoo-inline-image" draggable="false" style="max-width: 800px; width: 100%;" data-id="<90d8346a-4666-b164-859f-20a9bac6c3e0@yahoo.com>"><br><span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><img title="Inline image" alt="Inline image" src="cid:d8b1c6d3-ece2-7055-0298-d09f4bdf5124@yahoo.com" class="yahoo-inline-image" draggable="false" style="max-width: 800px; width: 100%;" data-id="<d8b1c6d3-ece2-7055-0298-d09f4bdf5124@yahoo.com>"><br><span></span><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Regards</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Ahmad </div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div>
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On Thursday, 27 January 2022, 03:05:40 pm AEDT, Nicholas CATON <nicholas.caton@se.com> wrote:
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">Heatpump chillers with UFAD is the system type of the very first building energy simulation model I was ever tasked with building. Suffice to say, like most first efforts in life, that was probably the worst model I ever built… but I sure
learned a lot and the challenges of modeling that system arrangement stuck with me! I haven’t been actively practicing eQuest for a while, but I think I can offer a leg up in this instance.</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">The EDR guidelines Phil extracted/shared will probably forever stand as a useful and appropriate resource to reference for bridging/informing approach for energy simulation in DOE2. It specifically addresses UFAD from an general/office
occupancy perspective. Today, I draw this distinction only to point out if you are dealing with a
<u>data center</u>, the best approach with modern DOE2.3 may look a little different than typical/office scenarios.</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">Also I’d add for context that the EDR guidelines were published chronologically before ASHRAE Standard 62.1 made some substantial advancements/developments in addressing thermal displacement ventilation. I would treat the specific guidance
within that EDR document as a “foundation” to be considered, understood, then tweaked to align with your present-day system designers’ considerations, calculations, and decisions around ventilation delivery. By way of example, you can go further than suggested/prescribed
by the EDR document to not only re-appropriate thermal loads, but to also create new/dedicated under-ceiling “interstitial” plenum zones (with air walls) to better simulate a situation where you can assert buoyancy effects will be in play (as opposed to perfect
mixing). I’ve taken those lessons learned and applied to simulations of other spaces without UFAD and deliberate TDV such as auditoriums, atriums, and ice hockey rinks.</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">That said, you are also asking about heat pump chillers. In DOE2 terms (semantics), if I’m correctly guessing the real-world equipment is 2-pipe (there’s a hydronic loop delivering either chilled or hot water to a single coil), then in
DOE2.3 terms I think you might be happy with a CHILLER of TYPE = HEAT-PUMP and CONDENSER-TYPE = AIR-COOLED. I’d suggest review/reference at Volume 2: Dictionary > HVAC Components > CHILLER > Air-to-Water Heat-Pump (HEAT-PUMP, AIR-COOLED). Be mindful the
number of air-side systems which can attach to a circulation loop of type 2-PIPE are limited and that probably merits separate consideration against your actual equipment.</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">Following is a visual example I slapped together to show what that may look like in the interface if you were to define post-wizards… I’m not certain this sort of chiller arrangement is something the wizards can set up for you however,
so you may need to do what I did and create the associated loop/pump/chiller manually (after wizards):</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">I hope some of this is helpful!</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">~Nick</p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modeling Under Floor Air Distribution (UFAD) system & Heat Pump Chiller</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">Hi Ahmad,</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">I have some guidance from the now-defunct <a shape="rect" href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.av8rdas.com%2Fenergy-design-resources.html&data=04%7C01%7CNicholas.Caton%40se.com%7C29909216f5a2458a907708d9e0ee0771%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637788136493126993%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=OkXFnZ9BGJj2K%2BIe9v2SAZ%2BBc%2BKYghbdocC03fOuFfY%3D&reserved=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
Energy Design Resources</a> that discusses how to model underfloor air distribution in eQUEST (attached – I extracted this from a larger document to reduce the filesize); I believe this guidance is from 2006 but hopefully it still holds.</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I am modeling a building, which has Under Floor Air Distribution (UFAD) system so, how to model this system in eQUEST software? I could not find a specific system called
UFAD or <span style="color:black;">Under Floor Air Distribution to select in eQUEST software.</span></span></p>
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<p class="ydpa0617c8yiv3809172524MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Further, the building has air source heat pump chiller that provide cooling in summer and heating in winter so, how we can model heat pump chiller in eQUEST software? How
can we assign the same heat pump chiller for both the chilled water loop and the hot water loop?</span></p>
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