<div dir="ltr">Hi Nick,<div><br></div><div>As always, a great summary. Can you please explain <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">below</span>. Is there any easy way to import schedules into eQuest other than populating the INP file directly (which I do not find to be very efficient) or using the user interface (also not very efficient)? Always looking for ways to streamline and improve the modeling process.</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>"I have had a lot of luck (with a sprinkling of misfortune as well) learning to deploy data loggers of various sorts to track real world plug and process loads (among other things). Such measurement data can be converted via with Excel pivots and EMIT to generate fractional schedules <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">directly push-able</span> into calibrated eQuest modeling efforts. Would I recommend it? YES. Even if you only rarely this sort of kit, the <u>experience</u> of exploring “where the sidewalk ends” for in-depth fractional schedule development is valuable. I found the experience enabled me to realize certain challenges were surmountable that would have seemed intractable otherwise. There’s a story or two in here for another day, but for now I guess I’ll sign off with the following: “Standard/Library schedules are <u>often</u> good enough, but sometimes are not. Recognizing/Intuiting when the standard is not good enough is a skillset you can accelerate with exposure to deploying loggers and analyzing/utilizing their measurements.”</div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)"><b>Christina LaPerle</b> PE, BEMP, CEM, CBCP</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Senior Energy Engineer<br>________________<br></span><img src="cid:286012b78f6945a_0.1" alt="image.png"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Phone </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><font color="#1155cc">860.266.6220</font> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="color:rgb(106,168,79);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small;text-align:justify">We are always looking for motivated professionals to join our team. See our career options </span><a href="https://karpmanconsulting.net/available-careers" target="_blank">here</a><span style="color:rgb(106,168,79);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:x-small;text-align:justify">!</span><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 12:20 AM Nicholas Caton via Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just adding to Daric’s excellent summary:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Certain state, city, and utility incentive program standards also prescribe unique fractional schedules and/or peak loads (W/ft<sup>2</sup>) for people and misc loads (based on primary building occupancy type), but sometimes these are wholesale
copied/pulled from the same schedule sources Daric cited below. You’ll find the
<a href="https://www.energycodes.gov/development/commercial/prototype_models" target="_blank">NREL reference building</a> models also utilize some of the same schedules as a starting point.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The last resource that comes to mind is Fishnick - <a href="https://fishnick.com/cecplug/" target="_blank">
https://fishnick.com/cecplug/</a> . This is specific to defining kitchen & food service process/equipment loads. Not applicable for every building energy model but on the occasion you need to “go deep” on kitchens it’s worth perusing.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hold the opinion these “standard” schedules are in many cases “good enough,” certainly for prescribed modeling efforts and new construction (when real-world schedules are not yet knowable), and even for calibrated efforts where model
outputs require a quantified degree of certainty/accuracy… I say “good enough” because these schedules generally fall within a “reasonable range of realities.” In the similar vein, I would observe that schedules generated by the eQuest wizards (which procedurally
“weight” a similar library of occupancy-specific schedules based on the diversity of space occupancies assigned per shell) again often fall well inside of a probable range of reasonable approximations for interior (people/light/equipment) load scheduling.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If however you wish to go further, as I’d advise in consideration of an ECM critically dependent upon / sensitive to a fractional schedule, then you will want to put more thought into tweaking standard/library schedules, or else building
a project-specific schedule from scratch. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have had a lot of luck (with a sprinkling of misfortune as well) learning to deploy data loggers of various sorts to track real world plug and process loads (among other things). Such measurement data can be converted via with Excel
pivots and EMIT to generate fractional schedules directly push-able into calibrated eQuest modeling efforts. Would I recommend it? YES. Even if you only rarely this sort of kit, the
<u>experience</u> of exploring “where the sidewalk ends” for in-depth fractional schedule development is valuable. I found the experience enabled me to realize certain challenges were surmountable that would have seemed intractable otherwise. There’s a story
or two in here for another day, but for now I guess I’ll sign off with the following: “Standard/Library schedules are
<u>often</u> good enough, but sometimes are not. Recognizing/Intuiting when the standard is not good enough is a skillset you can accelerate with exposure to deploying loggers and analyzing/utilizing their measurements.”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daric Adair via Bldg-sim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 25, 2021 11:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linda Lawrie <<a href="mailto:linda@fortlawrie.com" target="_blank">linda@fortlawrie.com</a>>; Francesco Passerini <<a href="mailto:fpasserini.tn@gmail.com" target="_blank">fpasserini.tn@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] schedule for process energy<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ASHREA 90.1-20xx User Manuals > Appendix G chapter have some use schedules, but may not be to the level of detail desired.
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<p class="MsoNormal">California, as part of their codes/CBECCcom software publish reference appendices:
<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww2.energy.ca.gov%2Ftitle24%2F2016standards%2FACM_Supporting_Content%2F&data=04%7C01%7CNicholas.Caton%40se.com%7C86e331d1b21e4bc3907d08d8c140eef0%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C0%7C637471831920109269%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=OYC854dj3WvP%2BD9bAbE4sOIOyNCzQZRnAzCHlvUW%2FY8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Again, probably not at the level you might be seeking. But also some other really good reference info in those appendices.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">eQuest Wizard mode also generates schedules based on selected building use type and can/does adjust those for operating hours selected in the wizard.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For general practice, we use those for reference, but then adjust to fit the anticipated use building. Ex: there are Misc equipment schedules for Restaurants, but if the project you’re on is a Breakfast/Lunch Diner, adjust the schedules
for those meals, and remove dinner/evening schedules). We also use the eQuest schedules generated to get ‘close’ and then make manual tweaks from there.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:17 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] schedule for process energy<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">I thought it was in one of the ASHRAE Handbooks.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hello, do you know some document that provides information relative to the schedules (profiles) that I can consider for process equipment, please?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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