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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you so much! I believe you’ve figured it out. I have zone cfm auto-sizing based on the system heat capacity and the ratio between OA and zone airflow. I’m going to dig into this through-out the week, and follow up with my solution
once complete.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For anyone interested,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There’s a FORTRAN manual which covers the language concepts here:
<a href="http://physik.uibk.ac.at/hephy/praktikum/fortran_manual.pdf">http://physik.uibk.ac.at/hephy/praktikum/fortran_manual.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Minion Pro",serif;color:#11B4E8;letter-spacing:.25pt">_______________________________________________</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;letter-spacing:.25pt"><br>
<span style="color:black">Ethan Seaman</span></span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;letter-spacing:.25pt"><br>
Sustainable Design Analyst</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;letter-spacing:.25pt"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@se.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Seaman, Ethan <eseaman@smma.com>; Bishop, Bill <bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com>; Lee Shaver <lshaver@slipstreaminc.org>; Kathryn Kerns <kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: Simulation Error - Abnormal simulation results detected - Sim Guidelines<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m providing a response that I hope may serve as a template/reference for a few of you to pick up this “bug tracking” skillset, and hopefully pay it forward for someone else someday!
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anytime you see the pattern “msgbomb” and then some numbers in a SIM report, that’s a potentially helpful clue for logic you can look for in the doe2 source files.
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<p class="MsoNormal">To follow along, you’ll need to pull down a copy of the doe 2.3 source files (here:
<a href="http://doe2.com/download/DOE-23/">http://doe2.com/download/DOE-23/</a>). I’m specifically referencing the build D23s50e.zip.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the file …doe23/SRC503/SYS.lis… I find a single reference to your msgbomb code (“Call MsgBomb(2010)”):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">I believe we are looking at Fortran. I’m not “fluent,” but playing around with eQuest and other programming languages for a few years renders this logic relatively legible… here’s
a step-through of my observations:<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo3">This is part of a subroutine called “TrmSer” (repeated along the right)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo3">Note that comments in this language/format have lines with a “c” as the first character
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo3">If you scroll up to where TrmSer (along the right) approaches zero, we find a set of comment lines explaining that this routine (and therefore your error) is associated with this simulation
of a series VAV box:<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo3">Most variables to be found in source subroutines are defined (for humans) in the companion source file EDTT.out:
<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level3 lfo3">Some relevant excerpts helping with the above logic:<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.CFMcd 1 0 AA(Jzn+476) Terminal flow, cold deck, cfm EDTCRD5729<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.CFMind 1 0 AA(Jzn+480) Terminal flow, induced, cfm EDTCRD5733
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.CFMt 1 0 AA(Jzn+482) Terminal flow, all sources, cfm EDTCRD5735
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.dTfan 1 0 AA(Jzn+565) Fan temperature rise, F EDTCRD5809<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.ModeTstat I 1 0 IA(Jzn+473) Thermostat control mode 0 deadband 1 passive EDTCRD5724
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas"> 2 aux cool 3 terminal cool 4 overload EDTCRD5725
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas"> Heating is same but negative EDTCRD5726<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn;SizeTerminal I 1 0 IA(Jzn+385) Flag if terminal is unsized EDTCRD5653
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.Tcd 1 0 AA(Jzn+515) Cold deck temperature, F EDTCRD5770
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.Thd 1 0 AA(Jzn+517) Hot deck temperature, F EDTCRD5772<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:1.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.Tsup 1 0 AA(Jzn+475) Supply T leaving terminal, entering zone, F EDTCRD5728
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7">It catches my eye that this particular set of IF/THEN logic may be exited early based on a flag which is determined by whether the terminal box is unsized.<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">It may be possible to eliminate/avoid this error by either manually sizing some terminal boxes and/or allowing for auto-sizing (considering the path you’re on when this error triggers).<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">This could be the mechanism by which some have found this error “going away” by deleting and re-defining the system(s).<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7">The actual msgbomb error is called when there’s a difference of at least 0.05 degrees F between
<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">the air leaving the terminal / entering the zone, <zn.Tsup>, and
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">the mixed temperature calculated by weighting cold deck / hot deck air, by airflow, then additionally considering fan heat.<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="square">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo7">The latter is relatively self-explanatory, so this leads me to further understand the value <zn.Tsup>. The preceding instance in the subroutine shows how this value is calculated
before being used for comparison against the (mixed air + fan heat) temp:<br>
<img border="0" width="795" height="50" style="width:8.2812in;height:.5208in" id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image013.png@01D68C2F.554B5440"><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level3 lfo7">This line looks a lot like the old standby, Q = 1.08*CFM*dT, rearranged to solve for one of the temperatures<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo7">Elsewhere within the TrmSer subroutine, I have confirmed my suspicions, and can better understand that <zn.Tsup> is describing the temperature :<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.75in;text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">Qgross = <zn.QtrmGross> ! terminal extraction TrmSer1527
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:2.25in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">BtuF = <ah.Btuh/CFM-F> ! Supply heat transport factor TrmSer 22<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level4 lfo7"><span style="font-family:Consolas">Where (from EDTT.OUT):<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:2.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">ah.Btuh/CFM-F 1 0 AA(Kah+207) Air heat transport, Btuh/CFM-F EDTCRD6197<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:2.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.QtrmGross 1 0 AA(Jzn+577) Terminal extraction and diffuser, Btuh EDTCRD5821<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:2.5in"><span style="font-family:Consolas">zn.Tzone 1 0 AA(Jzn+508) Zone temperature, end of current hour EDTCRD5763<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">So all told, I think I understand that the error thrown is a
<u>sanity check</u> to ensure that the temperature of the air leaving the coils after gross heat extraction is relatively close (sanity check) to what you would expect after mixing airstream temps at the appropriate weighting, and accounting for fan heat.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7">This leads me to suggest looking closely (for anything weird/unintuitive) at:<o:p></o:p></li><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">Terminal fan inputs, perhaps somehow resulting in excess heat introduction?<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">The temperatures associated with hot/cold airstreams entering the terminal box (as contextually fitting with the model inputs at hand)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7">Is there zone or terminal coil/extraction capacity entered that’s at-odds with the airflow sizing? If any of these aren’t hard-entered, might need to provide these inputs.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Obviously this doesn’t lead to a one-size fits all solution for everyone encountering this error (there are apparently multiple variables/inputs that could come into play), but it might be enough to distill a few dials to turn to find the
solution. I hope this perspective is helpful!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Seaman, Ethan via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill <<a href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>>; Lee Shaver <<a href="mailto:lshaver@slipstreaminc.org">lshaver@slipstreaminc.org</a>>; Kathryn Kerns <<a href="mailto:kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com">kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the FYI – I’m also not sure how much has changed because the system work-around appendix still includes the DOAS work-around commonly used in DOE 2.2.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have you ever come across this ‘’abnormal simulation results’’ error before?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Ethan Seaman</span></span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;letter-spacing:.25pt"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ethan,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the reference to the Mass. Simulation Guidelines. There are some helpful eQUEST-specific tips and keyword expressions in there!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">FYI – there is a newer version v2.3 released July 2020. Not sure how different it is.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Seaman, Ethan via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>; Lee Shaver <<a href="mailto:lshaver@slipstreaminc.org">lshaver@slipstreaminc.org</a>>; Kathryn Kerns <<a href="mailto:kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com">kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Simulation Error - Abnormal simulation results detected<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lee,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Great idea – thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kathryn,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If possible, could you ‘save as’ the current model, and restore your former model to a previous save as date from when you got the error? It’d then be possible to look at both before and after .inp files side-by-side. If not I understand.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The HVAC system I’m using is an active chilled beam system (work-around) detailed here (MA PA Guidelines 2017 doc):
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my case MassSave is the reviewer, so we have to use their system work-around.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have a feeling that this error may come down to the heating and cooling design days, perhaps more specifically the weekend HDD/CDDs introduced in DOE 2.3. I’ve only been able to find one resource that outlines design days in eQuest (Doug
Maddox’s video/slides). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Lee Shaver <<a href="mailto:lshaver@slipstreaminc.org">lshaver@slipstreaminc.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 9:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathryn Kerns <<a href="mailto:kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com">kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com</a>>; Seaman, Ethan <<a href="mailto:eseaman@smma.com">eseaman@smma.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Simulation Error - Abnormal simulation results detected<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kathryn,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any chance you saved the before and after *.inp files? Would be interesting to diff them and see what actually changed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathryn Kerns via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 7:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Seaman, Ethan <<a href="mailto:eseaman@smma.com">eseaman@smma.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org' <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This happened to me too just today. The only way I got out of it was to recreate the PVAV system from scratch, assign all the zones to the new system and then delete the PVAV that I was adjusting when the error suddenly appeared. No idea
what happened.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Seaman, Ethan via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 14, 2020 12:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Simulation Error - Abnormal simulation results detected<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi eQuest-users,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve lurked here for a while learning from many of you, and am hoping this group’s collective experience can help get me out of this pickle.
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<p class="MsoNormal">First off, I’m modeling in eQuest 3.65 7175 – DOE 2.3. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The error I’m getting reads as such from the output report:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">***ERROR***********************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Abnormal simulation results detected. Please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> send this input and weather file to program developers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> MsgBomb call argument: 2010 12-7 1/ 1/ 2 HDD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">***ERROR***********************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Abnormal simulation results detected. Please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> send this input and weather file to program developers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> MsgBomb call argument: 2010 12-7 1/ 1/ 2 Hol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe it has something to do with the heating design day, or the fan schedule, but everything I’ve tried as far as troubleshooting hasn’t gotten my any further to being able to simulate the model.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This same error was once discussed here before, but this modeler’s solution doesn’t work the same on my model.
<a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.onebuilding.org%2Fpipermail%2Fequest-users-onebuilding.org%2F2019-May%2F005994.html&data=02%7C01%7CNicholas.Caton%40se.com%7Cd0401721c18b462acf9e08d8598d49f0%7C6e51e1adc54b4b39b5980ffe9ae68fef%7C0%7C1%7C637357810656492423&sdata=D%2BtRsTCJfzFMrIrXYccsh4qhTrSho1fc6ux2dJ2Ub48%3D&reserved=0">
http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/2019-May/005994.html</a> This modeler suggests changing the fan schedule from ON/OFF/FLAG to ON/OFF which alone does not solve my sim error.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached is a zipped folder with the .inp, .pd2, .bdl, and tmy3 file.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, and god bless!<o:p></o:p></p>
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