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Thank you so much for providing your valuable recommendations/instructions.<br><br>
Regards,<br>
Morteza</span></p></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.2px">Morteza Kasmaei<br></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.2px">Senior Architect</span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.2px"><br></span></p>

<span style="line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,102,0)">LEED AP BD+C, GGP<font size="2" style="font-weight:bold"> </font></span><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:16 PM <<a href="mailto:equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Equest-users mailing list submissions to<br>
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   1. Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal (Morteza Kasmai)<br>
   2. Re: Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal (Bishop, Bill)<br>
   3. Re: Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal (Morteza Kasmai)<br>
   4. Re: Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal (Paul Riemer)<br>
   5. Re: Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal (Bishop, Bill)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Morteza Kasmai <<a href="mailto:morteza.kasmai@gmail.com" target="_blank">morteza.kasmai@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 17:06:47 -0400<br>Subject: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(39,78,19)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear eQUEST experts,</span></p>

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C&S project modeled with eQUEST 3.65 build 7175 DOE 2.3.</span></p>

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Baseline Case is System 5 – Packaged VAV with HW boiler and for the Proposed
Model is Gas fired RTUs with Digital Series Fan Powered Terminal (DTQS). </span></p>

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energy costs of the two models, when I change terminal type of the propose
design system to Series PIU the energy costs of the model increases by 12%,
which indicates the baseline system is more efficient the design system. Is
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and PD2 files of the model are attached.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Morteza</span></p></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_5543059614774008579gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font size="1"><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.2px">Morteza Kasmaei<br></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.2px">Senior Architect</span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.2px"><br></span></font></p>

<span style="line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,102,0)"><font size="1">LEED AP BD+C, GGP</font><font size="2" style="font-weight:bold"> </font></span><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Bishop, Bill" <<a href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com" target="_blank">bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>><br>To: Morteza Kasmai <<a href="mailto:morteza.kasmai@gmail.com" target="_blank">morteza.kasmai@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:53:25 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<br>





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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Morteza,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at your model and nothing jumps out as far as obvious problems. I can’t tell if you’ve modeled anything incorrectly without reviewing the design (which I’m not volunteering to do).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My question back to you is – what is it about the proposed design that should save energy compared to the baseline?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Bill<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2019 5:07 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">This is a LEED v4 C&S project modeled with eQUEST 3.65 build 7175 DOE 2.3.</span><span style="color:rgb(39,78,19)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">System Type for the Baseline Case is System 5 – Packaged VAV with HW boiler and for the Proposed Model is Gas fired RTUs with Digital Series Fan Powered Terminal (DTQS).
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">Thank you for your help.</span><span style="color:rgb(39,78,19)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Morteza Kasmai <<a href="mailto:morteza.kasmai@gmail.com" target="_blank">morteza.kasmai@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Bishop, Bill" <<a href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com" target="_blank">bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:43:48 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(39,78,19)"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hello Bill,<br>
Thank you so much for reviewing the model. Since I am not familiar with energy
performance of different terminal boxes was wondering if my selection was
correct. The mechanical drawings include diagram bellow for VAV terminal and a
schedule titled “Fan Powered Terminal unit Schedule” that marks DTQS as the
model of terminal boxes. Manufacturer’s (Titus) literature indicates DTQS as a Digital
Series Fan Powered Terminal and very energy efficient.</span></p>

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if selecting Series PIU is a correct selection for the proposed terminal. If
yes, then my second question would be the energy performance of Series PIU
terminals vs Std VAV terminals. Keeping everything equal, when I change terminal
types from Std VAV to Series PIU the annual energy costs increase, which
indicates Std VAV terminal is more energy efficient than Series PIU terminal. Is
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<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at your model and nothing jumps out as far as obvious problems. I can’t tell if you’ve modeled anything incorrectly without reviewing the design (which I’m not volunteering to do).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2019 5:07 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<u></u><u></u></p>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Paul Riemer <<a href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" target="_blank">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>><br>To: "'Morteza Kasmai'" <<a href="mailto:morteza.kasmai@gmail.com" target="_blank">morteza.kasmai@gmail.com</a>>, "Bishop, Bill" <<a href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com" target="_blank">bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:12:31 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<br>





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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Thank you so much for reviewing the model. Since I am not familiar with energy performance of different terminal boxes was wondering if my selection was correct. The mechanical drawings include diagram bellow for VAV terminal and a schedule titled “Fan Powered
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<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at your model and nothing jumps out as far as obvious problems. I can’t tell if you’ve modeled anything incorrectly without reviewing the design (which I’m not volunteering
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2019 5:07 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">System Type for the Baseline Case is System 5 – Packaged VAV with HW boiler and for the Proposed Model is Gas fired RTUs with Digital Series Fan Powered Terminal (DTQS).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Yes, I agree the DTQS should be modeled as Series PIU terminals.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To your second question, I suggest you DON’T keep everything equal. The central air handler of System 5 has to supply the peak cooling airflow AND the peak heating airflow. In your proposed
 design, the packaged RTUs need to supply the peak cooling airflow to the zones, and could be controlled with low minimum flows based on the minimum ventilation rates. Then the Series PIU terminals use recirculated zone air to meet the heating loads. (Change
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Fan Powered Terminal vs Std VAV Terminal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Thank you so much for reviewing the model. Since I am not familiar with energy performance of different terminal boxes was wondering if my selection was correct. The mechanical drawings include diagram bellow for VAV terminal and a schedule titled “Fan Powered
 Terminal unit Schedule” that marks DTQS as the model of terminal boxes. Manufacturer’s (Titus) literature indicates DTQS as a Digital Series Fan Powered Terminal and very energy efficient.</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at your model and nothing jumps out as far as obvious problems. I can’t tell if you’ve modeled anything incorrectly without reviewing the design (which I’m not volunteering
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 9, 2019 5:07 PM<br>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">This is a LEED v4 C&S project modeled with eQUEST 3.65 build 7175 DOE 2.3.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">System Type for the Baseline Case is System 5 – Packaged VAV with HW boiler and for the Proposed Model is Gas fired RTUs with Digital Series Fan Powered Terminal (DTQS).
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">Comparing the annual energy costs of the two models, when I change terminal type of the propose design system to Series PIU the energy costs of the model increases by 12%, which indicates
 the baseline system is more efficient the design system. Is this correct or there is something wrong with the terminal type selection? INP and PD2 files of the model are attached.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">Thank you for your help.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(39,78,19)">Morteza</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,102,0);letter-spacing:0.15pt">Morteza Kasmaei<br>
Senior Architect</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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