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<p>I can't confirm this, but my recollection is that DOE-2 will
report an unmet hour anytime the zone temperature exceeds the
thermostat setting plus the throttling range, if that's defined.<br>
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<p>Joe<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Joe!<br>
<br>
Your participation prompts me to ask the question that is at the
heart of this discussion - it looks like an attempt to "reverse
engineer" a definition. We have all done it. FYI - and it's a
massive but educational time pit. Does anyone [Joe] know the
programmed definition for eQUEST, [probably from DOE2] on unmet
hours?<br>
<i>i.e DOE2 will mark an Unmet hour if a zone is: Outside the
throttling range? How many degrees outside range (.1, 1 etc)?
Plus Occupied? Plus Coil capacities are exceeded? Plus Any
other conditions?</i><br>
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Agreed about the hourly reports. The hourly one for eQUEST that
I use is under thermal zone for the "amount of load that's
unmet" for an hour. Include the zone temperature that hour and
that should get you what you want (but possibly not what you
need). There is probably an unmet hours flag to enable (0 or 1),
but I might be thinking of the wrong software package? I try not
to look at individual unmet hours for spaces - the space/zone is
usually not the actual problem.<br>
<br>
A few notables from the images sent:<br>
<ul>
<li>Fans are running over 7500 hours per year. I doubt the
building is occupied that many hours.</li>
<li>Schedule seems to be a default schedule from the wizard?
Defaults like this are often unoccupied on weekends and 12
hours per day.</li>
<li>That would be around 3000 occupied hours.</li>
<li>Similar default schedules allow 82 degrees for unoccupied
hours --> Possibly >5500 hours requiring 85 to be
outside the throttling range, and they are unoccupied</li>
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<p>Paul, others,</p>
<p>Being an old DOE-2 user, I would recommend getting the
hourly reports for zone temperature, setpoint
temperature, and cooling load, and then aggregating these
by hour of day and month, i.e., get 12 average hourly
profiles by month, which would tell you what's going on. I
don't know if there's an hourly report variable for unmet
load, but it should be detectable as hours where the zone
temperature exceeds the setpoint temperature. I know how
to set up hourly reports in DOE-2, but don't know how
can be done in eQUEST.<br>
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<p>Joe<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Paul,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The <span>75 °F input that you
shared below for “Indoor Design Temperature” is the
DESIGN-COOL-T which is used for sizing calculations
(and is optional when using DOE-2.3). The hourly
thermostat setpoint is part of the thermostat
schedule so you need to look at the day schedules
within the S1 Sys1 (PSZ) Cool Sch.</span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Hourly space
temperature after cooling</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi David,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks for the answer. I
don´t think that explain the data because the
system is working most of the time during the
year, and a note in the SS-O report shows that the
temperature counts are made only for the hours
when the fans are on. The cooling schedule matches
with the occupancy schedule.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The set point is 75 °F and
the throttle range is 2 °R.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The BEPS report shows that
are 155 unmet hours, but the SS-O report gives a
value of at least 2505 (adding from 80-85 and
above 85).</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> March 22, 2019 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Integral Mechanical Engineering Designs<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Hourly space temperatura after
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class="gmail-m_6304813575628337139gmail-m_1866183690012848749xmsonormal"><span>That
SS-O report should be after cooling (it’s a
“system” report), but it may include some hours
when the control system is in setback – it’s not
only for occupied hours, would that explain your
data?</span><span></span></p>
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is a separate module for report variables that
you can specify to document any number of
internal calculations, including one or more
space temperatures – it’s been a while since I
set one of those up but if you search this
community for “report variables” some
instructions should pop up.</span><span></span></p>
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can then also be exported to excel, or printed
in the *.sim report.</span><span></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Hourly space
temperatura after cooling<span></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-CA">Hi all,</span><span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-CA">If I open the BEPS Building
Energy Performance, there are 155 unmet hours.
I would like to get the temperature values
throughout the year after cooling, but the
only related option that I can see is the SS-O
Space Temperature Summary where the
temperatures above the set point are much more
than the unmet hours. It seems that is the
report of the space before cooling.</span><span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-CA">How could I get the space
temperature after cooling to have relation
with the unmet hours?</span><span></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-CA"> </span><span></span></p>
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