<div dir="ltr">right...although I had deleted all child components for my zone in question, there were interior walls (defined in adjacent zones) that were exchanging heat transfer with my zone. The adjacent zone just happened to be an unconditioned parking garage that was very cold...foolish that I missed it.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:00 PM Joe Huang via Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>And the cause for the mystery load is ??  Don't just leave us
      hanging!</p>
    <p>Joe<br>
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    <div class="gmail-m_-3904346340559647763moz-cite-prefix">On 12/20/2018 12:47 PM, Chris Hadlock
      via Equest-users wrote:<br>
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        <div>Thanks to all who responded...the problem has now been
          solved. My faith in eQuest remains.<br>
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        <div>Chris</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:33 PM David Eldridge
          via Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That
                  last sentence is the issue – the system is providing
                  some amount of air including return and OA to the
                  space, without a heating coil, meanwhile the
                  thermostat may be expecting 70F all of the time.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The
                  issue could be resolved by “upgrading” the unit to
                  heat, removing/reducing the OA quantity, or by
                  relaxing or removing the thermostat schedules
                  depending on what your goals are for the project.</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                  Equest-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Hadlock via Equest-users<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:05 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] mystery heating
                  load</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I've had a few responses
                    requesting the modeling files so I've attached the
                    INP and PD2 file (weather file is CWEC\Toronto.bin).
                    The zone in question is "L0 Elev Lobby S" and I've
                    already removed all exterior surfaces from this
                    space (i.e. there are no Child Components). I've
                    assigned this zone to it's own system (it's the last
                    system on the air-side tab) called "Test System".
                    I've already created the hourly reports where you'll
                    see all of the underheated hours (which only occur
                    in the winter). The LS-B report shows no (zero) htg
                    load. I realize the system is not really providing
                    any heating to this zone the way it's setup.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Chris</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:26 PM
                    Chris Hadlock <<a href="mailto:cjhadlock@gmail.com" target="_blank">cjhadlock@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hello,</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I've created a model
                            using eQuest 3.65 (DOE 2.2) build 7173 that
                            is of a 20 storey multi-residential building
                            located in Toronto, Ontario (Canada). There
                            is a basement with a elevator lobby that is
                            an interior space (no exterior walls). </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">My model keeps telling me
                            I have underheated hours for this lobby. I'm
                            trying to figure out why there is a heating
                            load and I'm stumped. I have removed what I
                            believe to be all potential sources of heat
                            loss. I've deleted the underground floor
                            (which was R-100 anyway), I've deleted the
                            interior walls (just to be thorough), there
                            is no infiltration, and I've set the
                            ventilation to zero. In my mind, there is no
                            source of heat loss. I've even added a
                            significant (10 W/ft2) equipment load and
                            yet there are still underheated hours (I've
                            even reduced my Tstat setpoint to 60F). </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I've run an hourly report
                            to help figure out the loads for both the
                            space ("Sum of all weighted loads except
                            infil and latent") and zone ("Load Calc'd
                            SPACE Sensible load at const temp
                            (Btu/hr)"). These reports all indicate a
                            positive load (i.e. net heat gain) from my
                            lights, plug loads and occupants. However
                            through this process I'm also questioning
                            these reports as the lighting, people and
                            equipment load being reported don't exactly
                            align with my modeled schedules for these
                            loads....but I've put a pin in that.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Regardless, I have no
                            idea how to figure out what may be resulting
                            in net heat loss for this zone. To be
                            thorough, I checked the elevator lobby on
                            the ground level and the same thing is
                            happening. Has anybody seen this
                            before...any ideas what might be causing
                            heat loss for a zone with no ventilation and
                            no walls and no infiltration? It does seem
                            to be seasonal (i.e no underheated hours in
                            the summer) so it has some connection to
                            weather file but does not correlate exactly.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">If you do take the time
                            to read this, a big thank you. If you
                            provide the answer, you'll for sure be on
                            Santa's "nice" list.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Chris </p>
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