<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Bill:</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7877"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7876">Thanks so much for the procedure to install the Max Capacity per Unit in build 7175.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7875"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7874"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7873">Where did you learn to do this? Way over my head!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7872"> </div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7265">Paul Diglio<br>87 Fairmont Avenue <br>New Haven, CT 06513 <br><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7272" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7271"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7270"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7667"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7666" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Bishop, Bill via Equest-users" <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com>; "equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 9, 2018 6:41 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] New eQuest VRF capabilities - Questions - custom BDLDialogs.txt file<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7269"><br><div id="yiv5272207341">
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7266">Hey Nick,</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7273">I couldn’t find MAX-CAP/UNIT in the interface and I believe it was just overlooked. You can modify the necessary file to include it as follows:</div>
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<li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7878">Find the BDLDialogs.txt file in Documents -> eQUEST 3-65-7175 Data -> ScreensDOE23</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544730777885_7880">Save a backup copy of the file with a different name.</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Edit the BDLDialogs.txt file:
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<li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Using a text editor, search for: LABEL, "Rated and Design Conditions - Cooling"</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Insert the following lines of text immediately preceding the LABEL line:</li></ul>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">; WJB 11/09/18 - added new input field</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal"> EDIT, 19460, 19460, 0, 1, SYSTEM, 0, MAX-CAP/UNIT, 0, STD, 580, 55, 23, 70, 0, 3, "Max Capacity per Unit:", LEFT, -145, 5, 1, LEFT, 4, 5,"Maximum size per indoor unit. Used for modeling of branch refrigerant piping.
Affects thermal and friction losses."</div>
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<li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Save the BDLDialogs.txt file.</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Run eQUEST as you normally would.</li></ul>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">Your VRF Coil tabpage should now look like this:</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">I believe your understanding of NUM-OF-UNITS is correct.</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">~Bill</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 9, 2018 4:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bishop, Bill <bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> New eQuest VRF capabilities - Questions</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">Hi everyone!</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">I have a couple questions to pose as I’m wading into the new VRF capabilities built into the new eQuest build 3.65-7175, in doe 2.3 mode. Curious if anyone else in parallel has solved any of the following, or else would like to pile on
with additional queries:</div>
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<li class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="">Where in the eQuest interface can I review/edit the input for MAX-CAP/UNIT in a VRF system? I’ve seen repeated references to this between the SIM outputs and the reference help files, and I know the default
is affected by the indoor cassette type selection (VRF-TERM-TYPE)… I just can’t find the input in the airside system (PVVT), zonal inputs, or Condensing unit input windows… Probably I’m just missing it, but is it perhaps missing in the interface?</li></ol>
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<li class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="">Expanding on the last question, am I correct in understanding the NUMBER-OF-UNITS input within the preceding reference article for MAX-CAP/UNIT is referring to this input under “Unit Staging” in the Basics
tab for Air-Side Systems? Seems from the article this could serve as a proxy for MAX-CAP/UNIT in effect…</li></ol>
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<li class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="">For determining thermal losses, is refrigerant line insulation an editable input for branch (airside system) and leader/header (condensing unit) refrigerant piping? Is that just a constant omitted for simplicity
of inputs?</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="">For illustration, is there a system diagram anywhere at present in the reference manual, similar to those provided for existing SYSTEM articles? (I’m thinking this might provide an overview of the terminology
like leader vs header vs branch piping, and diagram the split between what inputs are specified at the CONDENSING-UNIT vs the airside SYSTEM)</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="">I don’t have the impression that the condenser inputs for AUX-POWER are intended to cover auxiliary/secondary heat sources for when a VRF’s heating capacity needs an extra kick during wintertime operation.
I reckon electric baseboards are the natural answer for supplemental heat at the zone, but which inputs fields are most appropriate (if any) for radiators in an outdoor unit enclosure (Literature:
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.daikinac.com/content/assets/DOC/White-papers-/BPG-EXTAMB.pdf">
https://www.daikinac.com/content/assets/DOC/White-papers-/BPG-EXTAMB.pdf</a>)?</li><li class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="">Would it be possible to identify makes/models of real world equipment that the library performance curves are based upon?</li></ol>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in;"><b>… Answering my own question:</b> Comments within the BDLLIB.DAT file (eQuest Data Directory
<span style="font-family:Wingdings;">à</span> ../DOE23/BDLLIB.DAT), starting on line 25094, provide some sources for the VRF library performance curves.</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in;">Here is a curve commentary reference I made for myself – may as well share:</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;"><u>VRF Curve</u>
<u>Comment</u></div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-FAN-EIR-FPLR $1.4 exponent for multi-speed fans
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-ClCap-fSST&ODB $Daikin RXYMQ48MVJU, no SST dependence
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-ClEIR-fSST&ODB $Daikin RXYMQ48MVJU, no SST dependence
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-ClEIR-fPLR $Coefficients from Daikin for EER~11 excluding indoor fan heat
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-Cycle-fPLR $Estimated, 1.6 minutes at 50% cycle</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-HtCap-fSCT&OWB $Daikin RXYMQ48MVJU, no SCT dependence</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-DefrostCap-fOWB $Daikin and Mitsubishi similar</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-HtEIR-fSCT&OWB $Daikin RXYMQ48MVJU, no SCT dependence
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-HtEIR-fPLR * no comment *</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-HP-Resys-Crankcase-fPLR $Used for both heating and cooling</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-EP-Cap-fSDT&SST $From EnergyPlus sample input - high speed curve</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-EP-EIR-fSDT&SST $From EnergyPlus sample input - high speed curve</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF-EP-EIR-fPLR $From EnergyPlus sample input, refitted - Ratio & DT</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF044-Cap-fSST&SDT $DanFoss VZH028-035-044
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF044-EIR-fSST&SDT $DanFoss VZH028-035-044
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF044-EIR-fPLR $DanFoss VZH028-035-044
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF088-Cap-fSST&SDT $DanFoss VZH088AG
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF088-EIR-fSST&SDT $DanFoss VZH088AG
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF088-EIR-fPLR $DanFoss VZH088AG</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF_CL_ThermLoss_fPLR&SST $From typical piping layout for 20 ton system</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF_HT_ThermLoss_fPLR&SDT $From typical piping layout for 20 ton system</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF_COOL_DTSAT_fSST $From typical piping layout for 20 ton system</div>
<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in;">VRF_HEAT_DTSAT_fSDT $From typical piping layout for 20 ton system
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">Thanks,</div>
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<div class="yiv5272207341MsoNormal">~Nick</div>
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