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<p class="MsoNormal">The baseline considers spandrel to be opaque wall just like all the other opaque walls in the baseline model. You use the same 90.1 light weight wall construction in the baseline where the proposed has spandrel.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Paul Diglio [mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2018 5:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jones, Christopher <Christopher.r.Jones@wsp.com><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I am working on the baseline so I just modeled the glass as a compliant exterior wall as 90.1 doesn't have a minimum energy efficiency rating
for spandrels. I am awaiting the performance specifications from the spandrel vendor for the proposed model. Yes, I agree with your assessment of the frame and edge effects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2018 1:20 PM<br>
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My experience is spandrel with double pane IGU’s loses about 40% of the nominal R-value due to frame and edge effects. Spandrel with a single opaque glass loses about 50% of the nominal R-value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2018 12:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jones, Christopher <<a href="mailto:Christopher.r.Jones@wsp.com">Christopher.r.Jones@wsp.com</a>>; David Eldridge <<a href="mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com">DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a>; David Griffin II <<a href="mailto:DGriffin@archnexus.com">DGriffin@archnexus.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Paul Diglio <<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>; David Eldridge <<a href="mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com" target="_blank">DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 10, 2018 12:37 PM<br>
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the section of curtain wall (vision and spandrel) is set in the “main” opaque exterior wall. For example, the floor-to-floor height is 14’. The curtain wall area goes from floor to 12’ high. The top 2’ of this curtain wall section is spandrel as is the bottom
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Diglio via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 08, 2018 6:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Eldridge <<a href="mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com" target="_blank">DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a>; David Griffin II <<a href="mailto:DGriffin@archnexus.com" target="_blank">DGriffin@archnexus.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 5:18 PM<br>
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<b>To:</b> David Eldridge <<a href="mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com" target="_blank">DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:black">My preferred approach to handling large amounts of spandrel glass is to start by taking advantage of the wizards’ capacity to generate separate “plenum”
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif;color:black">@David: I’m not sure about that library entry either, but I have in the past been convinced myself it was okay to use the simplified window glass definition
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<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif">specify a shading coefficient of zero (where SC is the ratio of solar energy transmitted relative to single pane float glass), and</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white" id="yiv8159710740yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544286364405_7983">
<span style="font-family:"HelveticaNeue",serif">specify a U-value appropriate to the degree of insulation (though I’d leave this equivalent to the underlying glass layer(s) if it’s just painted panels – run into that a couple times).
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Eldridge via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 05, 2018 5:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jra_sac@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jra_sac@yahoo.com</a>; Paul Diglio <<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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vision glass, make the exterior opaque surface equivalent to the spandrel sections as a defined opaque wall construction, and then add the vision glass to that – if you change the surface constructions in spreadsheet view it may not be that painful after all.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 05, 2018 5:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Diglio <<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>; Paul Diglio via Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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