<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14474"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14794">Dan:</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14492"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14491"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14490">Thanks for the information. Averaging the spandrel U-factor with the exterior wall is a great idea. Unfortunately, on this project many of the spandrels are part of the curtain wall and there is no exterior wall.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14744"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14490"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14743"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14490">Regards,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14480"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14481">Paul Diglio<br>87 Fairmont Avenue <br>New Haven, CT 06513 <br><br><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14482"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14486" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14485"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14484"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14483"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544445210888_14795" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Daniel Knapp <danielk@arborus.ca><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "equest-users@onebuilding.org" <equest-users@onebuilding.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 12:58 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv4686054294"><style>#yiv4686054294 #yiv4686054294 --
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I have been greatly interested to read everyone’s comments on how they are modelling spandrel panels. It seems to me that there are many valid approaches which get us to a similar place in the end.
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Generally, I have found it convenient to model spandrel panels as a separate glass type which can be defined by the simplified method of using a U-value and a SHGC of 0. This makes it easy to assign the correct area in
the wizard, and this area can then be modified in Detailed Edit by adjusting window height/width, etc. It also makes it easy to parametrize the spandrel panels and model a range of U-values, including the 90.1 reference U-value which is taken from a light-weight
wall construction for the correct climate zone. Given that spandrel panels are generally constructed of glass, metal, and insulation I think the simplified approach is appropriate, since the construction will have a very low heat capacity and heat transfer
will be on time scales shorter than 1 hour. We tend to build a lot of models for parametric analysis, and this approach makes it easy to adjust spandrel sizes and thermal performance. It’s much harder to adjust two different exterior wall types and change
their relative areas post-wizard, although Nick appears to have come up with a very clever approach to automating this process by adjusting his plenum heights.
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Another approach I have taken is to calculate the relative area of the spandrel panels and the opaque wall and use an average U-value for the exterior wall. This approach tends to work best when the spandrel is somewhat
uniformly distributed across the wall. Since the indoor air is assumed to be uniformly mixed in any given zone in DOE-2 it doesn’t matter whether you localize the heat loss to a spandrel panel or allow it to spread across the whole wall area.
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Anyway, just wanted to put in my two cents.
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Have a great weekend everyone! </span></div>
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dan</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Daniel Knapp, PhD, PPhys, BEMP, LEED AP</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Equest-users <equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org> on behalf of Paul Diglio via Equest-users <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br clear="none">
<b>Reply-To: </b>Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net><br clear="none">
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 6:55 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b>David Eldridge <DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com><br clear="none">
<b>Cc: </b>"equest-users@onebuilding.org" <equest-users@onebuilding.org>, David Griffin II <DGriffin@archnexus.com><br clear="none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Please find attached a rendering of the building I am modeling. Note there are two types of exterior walls, the brick covered columns and
sills and the rest is ACM. You can see the spandrel panels under and above some of the windows in a sort of grey-blue color. The spandrels total about 7,000 square feet and the windows about 30,000 square feet. There is some screening on the ends of the
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">I was able to model the two exterior wall types and added the spandrels as a different glass type. Yes, the spandrel consists of an exterior
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<b>To:</b> Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net> <br clear="none">
<b>Cc:</b> David Griffin II <DGriffin@archnexus.com>; Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com>; "jra_sac@yahoo.com" <jra_sac@yahoo.com>; "equest-users@onebuilding.org" <equest-users@onebuilding.org><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 8, 2018 1:42 PM<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black;">So a common approach in case a is spandrel = wall, windows are windows.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4686054294MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black;">For case B you need two different walls, plus windows in one or both, and how you model the two walls may be important to your zone loads, but
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On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Paul Diglio <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;">specify a shading coefficient of zero (where SC is the ratio of solar energy transmitted relative to single pane float glass), and</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;"></span></li><li class="yiv4686054294msonormal" id="yiv4686054294yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544286364405_7983" style="color:black;background:white;">
<span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;">specify a U-value appropriate to the degree of insulation (though I’d leave this equivalent to the underlying glass layer(s) if it’s just painted panels – run into that a couple times).
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