<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>John:</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76976"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76974"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76978">I am not sure how to get to the spandrel glass selection. I do not see it in the library. If I try to make another exterior construction, I have the option for a metal curtainwall but I do not see spandrels.<br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76621"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76640">Anyway, these spandrel panels are uncoated glass on the exterior, air gap, painted glass on the interior with 6" of foam insulation between inner layer of glass and conditioned space.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76703"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76640"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76705"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76640">David, I don't quite understand what you are suggesting, but the exterior walls will have a different u-factor than the spandrel panels, which is why I had to draw them separately. I inserted the vision panels of the curtainwall on the exterior walls and inserted the spandrels separate from the vision panels of the curtainwall. I was hoping there was some way I could edit the input file to change the spandrel panels to a new construction so they wouldn't show up on the LV-D report as glass.<br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_77092"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76640"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76640">Thanks for the responses,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76600"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76601">Paul Diglio<br>87 Fairmont Avenue <br>New Haven, CT 06513 <br><br><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76851"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76746" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76745"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76744"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76743"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_77034" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Aulbach <jra_sac@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com" <DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com>; Paul Diglio <paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net>; "equest-users@onebuilding.org" <equest-users@onebuilding.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:11 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Equest-users] Spandrel Glass<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76752"><br><div id="yiv6489116672"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76751">Hi Dave<div id="yiv6489116672yMail_cursorElementTracker_1544054808685"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6489116672yMail_cursorElementTracker_1544054808854">I am not in front of my eQuest computer. But I think the spandrel has the u value of glazing without a shading coefficient, so would it not then be opaque. Makes no sense to me for glazing to be in a wall parametric library. I also think it is 1/4 inch, so I would add another spandrel wall and board insulation behind it.</div><div id="yiv6489116672yMail_cursorElementTracker_1544055053855"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6489116672yMail_cursorElementTracker_1544055053999">We need another Engineering Manual written !!<br id="yiv6489116672yMail_cursorElementTracker_1544054796322" clear="none"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv6489116672ymail_android_signature"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br clear="none"> <div class="yiv6489116672yqt6172981364" id="yiv6489116672yqt74637"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 20px 0;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76756"> <div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:#6D00F6;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76755"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76754">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:59 PM, David Eldridge</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76758"><DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com> wrote:</div> </div> <div style="padding:10px 0 0 20px;margin:10px 0 0 0;border-left:1px solid #6D00F6;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1544035870980_76766"> <div id="yiv6489116672"><style>#yiv6489116672 --
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glass, make the exterior opaque surface equivalent to the spandrel sections as a defined opaque wall construction, and then add the vision glass to that – if you change the surface constructions in spreadsheet view it may not be that painful after all. The
painful part will be deleting all of the current spandrel sections that are now defined as the base wall.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6489116672MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#6D00F6;">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Paul Diglio via Equest-users</span></div>
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