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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Diglio via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Eldridge <DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com>; Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com>; equest-users@onebuilding.org<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Yes, for LEED, no problem because it will be a system type 6, VAV with FPB and electric heat. I was inquiring regarding the utility
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Obviously they will make that decision, I was just curious on what everyone had to say if the baseline system capacity exceeded tables
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<b>To:</b> Nicholas Caton <<a href="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com">Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a>>;
Paul Diglio <<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 12:11 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> on behalf of Paul
Diglio via Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:51:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nicholas Caton; <a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks for the information. These WSHP are AAON SA-065-S-C units. I am waiting for the designer to send me the performance information.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">So if there is no efficiency rating for this size unit, should the baseline be modeled with the same efficiency as the proposed model?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Paul Diglio <<a href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net">paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I’d fall back to 6.4.1.1 under the mandatory provisions for the prescriptive compliance path – that’s the section citing the 6.8 series
tables for the purpose of establishing prescriptive compliance. As I’m reading/interpreting, equipment that is not listed categorically within the 6.8-series tables by extension does not need to achieve any minimum performance rating. There is however some
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Nick Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Diglio via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2018 6:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] WSHP Capacity Greater Than 90.1 Table 6.8.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I am looking at a project based on 90.1-2010. The capacity of the WSHPs are 60 tons. 90.1-2010 Table 6.8.1B does not list the minimum
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